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DaneMcCloud 11-11-2014 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Gadzooks (Post 11104262)
Right after season 1 there was talk of casting 2 broads. I wonder why they changed their minds.
MM did a great job in changing my opinion of his acting abilities. Woody did what he could...

I'd imagine the focus will be on Colin Farrell with Vaughn playing a Woody type role. Colin Farrell can certainly use the publicity. (his Q-meter is pretty low)

Farrell & Kitsch are detectives and partners, Vaughn is the baddie.

Gadzooks 11-11-2014 06:03 PM

Kitsch, who is best known for his starring roles in John Carter and Battleship?
Wow. That guy could use a boost in the ole' Q-meter.
My neighbor Dave is more compelling than Taylor Kitsch.

Buehler445 11-11-2014 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Gadzooks (Post 11104326)
Kitsch, who is best known for his starring roles in John Carter and Battleship?
Wow. That guy could use a boost in the ole' Q-meter.
My neighbor Dave is more compelling than Taylor Kitsch.

ROFL

Great Expectations 11-11-2014 08:12 PM

McConaughey has been a stud for a few years. Two for the Money ihas the worst acting if any movie I can think of right now. Pacino and MM sucked in that one.

He showed flashes in A Time to Kill and a few other early ones before he went full RomCom, but he turned it around to be great.

Deberg_1990 11-11-2014 08:12 PM

Vaughn was phenomenal in the jLo flick 'the Cell'

Bowser 11-12-2014 08:55 PM

I thought Taylor Kitsch did well in Lone Survivor.

DaneMcCloud 11-12-2014 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 11106897)
I thought Taylor Kitsch did well in Lone Survivor.

I think Taylor Kitsch is always solid and likeable. I can't see any reason why he and Farrell won't kill it. Justin Lin directing should be awesome, too.

The the only apprehension I have is about VV. IMO, that should have been a secret, uncredited role heading into the season because of the obvious expectations VV fans (I guess non-fans, too) will have going into series.

duncan_idaho 11-12-2014 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 11106897)
I thought Taylor Kitsch did well in Lone Survivor.

He did even better in Friday Night Lights. His Tim Riggins was a pretty compelling character.

He can play brooding, self-loathing badass pretty well.

Discuss Thrower 01-28-2015 05:37 PM

.... Man ....

There was some stuff the finale didn't deal with.

DaneMcCloud 01-28-2015 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 11297624)
.... Man ....

There was some stuff the finale didn't deal with.

The finale was awful. Pure schlock.

Discuss Thrower 01-28-2015 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11297631)
The finale was awful. Pure schlock.

Not saying it was awful.

I'm just pissed because
Spoiler!

cosmo20002 01-28-2015 06:00 PM

True Detective was way overrated.
Started slow, got better, had one great episode, then slowly declined again into a ridiculous ending. It was different, but that doesn't mean it was great.

keg in kc 01-28-2015 06:32 PM

True Detective was a fantastic performance by McConaughey, a good performance by Woody, a story that looked much, much stronger early on than it actually was, one really fantastic long tracking shot, and not much else.

Discuss Thrower 01-28-2015 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by cosmo20002 (Post 11297659)
True Detective was way overrated.
Started slow, got better, had one great episode, then slowly declined again into a ridiculous ending. It was different, but that doesn't mean it was great.

You're overrated.

DaneMcCloud 01-28-2015 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 11297655)
Not saying it was awful.

I'm just pissed because
Spoiler!

It went from a mixture of a creepy yet introspective look at life in the Louisiana bayou, with its history of ugliness and political machinations coupled with a compelling police investigation that included two diametrically opposed yet interesting detectives, one born to be a policeman and the other born to be a philosopher steeped in existentialism, to a dopey "Bro" movie with a shockingly predictable finish.

I'll watch the next season but hope the ending is much more satisfying.

NewChief 01-28-2015 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 11297655)
Not saying it was awful.

I'm just pissed because
Spoiler!

You should have been involved in this and other threads elsewhere and watching it as it aired. The theories and ideas floating around about the nature of the Carcosa cult and such were awesome.

Then the finale that just sort of negated all the buildup.

keg in kc 01-28-2015 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by NewChief (Post 11298011)
You should have been involved in this and other threads elsewhere and watching it as it aired. The theories and ideas floating around about the nature of the Carcosa cult and such were awesome.

Then the finale that just sort of negated all the buildup.

The first four episodes were like talking to a girl online with a supermodel portrait and setting up a date. The final four episodes were like she shows up at your door, you're all excited, and then it turns out it's Roseanne Barr.

DaneMcCloud 01-28-2015 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by NewChief (Post 11298011)
You should have been involved in this and other threads elsewhere and watching it as it aired. The theories and ideas floating around about the nature of the Carcosa cult and such were awesome.

Then the finale that just sort of negated all the buildup.

I didn't see it until after the season ended, so I was able to binge watch over the course of three nights, and I'm actually glad that it happened like that.

All of the weekly speculation would have been a blast, but like LOST, would have ultimately aggravated me to the point that I would have nothing but contempt for everyone involved.

Chiefspants 01-28-2015 09:26 PM

The transcendent performance of McConaughey coupled with the phenomenal direction of Fukunaga (seen with the tracking shot & cinematography) took a "solid" script and turned it into what looked to be an unparalleled crime drama - for the first six or seven episodes, anyway.

The finale revealed the show to be a standard crime procedural that was lifted to another level by the soundtrack, cast and cinematography.

I'm struggling to shake the notion that the next season will suffer considerably with Fukunaga's departure.

Discuss Thrower 01-29-2015 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by NewChief (Post 11298011)
You should have been involved in this and other threads elsewhere and watching it as it aired. The theories and ideas floating around about the nature of the Carcosa cult and such were awesome.

Then the finale that just sort of negated all the buildup.

Didn't have HBO until three weeks ago.

keg in kc 01-29-2015 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 11298354)
Didn't have HBO until three weeks ago.

Your life is over once you discover hbogo.

Get caught up on game of.thrones if you haven't already. Fifth season begins in a few months. Stay out of show threads.

Then wire, sopranos, deadwood, boardwalk empire.

Discuss Thrower 01-29-2015 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 11298361)
Your life is over once you discover hbogo.

Meh. I don't see the point on binging on Entourage. Treme gives me PTSD to my last semester of my second go around of college.. and I don't want to start power houring by myself.

I don't want to be depressed so that knocks out The Wire, Oz and The Leftovers.

I already finished Silicon Valley.. Maybe I'll watch Eastbound and Down.

keg in kc 01-29-2015 01:19 AM

The wire is the best show of the past twenty years. Don't skip it.

Edited some other suggestions into my prior post.

Discuss Thrower 01-29-2015 01:23 AM

Forgot about Deadwood.. And I'll probably give Boardwalk a shot.


I've already spoiled myself on GoT because I got so tired of not knowing WTF the neckbeards on Reddit were on about.

Baby Lee 01-29-2015 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 11298368)
Forgot about Deadwood.. And I'll probably give Boardwalk a shot.


I've already spoiled myself on GoT because I got so tired of not knowing WTF the neckbeards on Reddit were on about.

GoT is s show you don't want spoilered on. But if you are spoilered, it's a show you want to watch anyway.

It's not a show that subsists on plot twists alone. Even knowing the twists, it's edifying to watch them develop as well.

Plus it's glorious to look at. There's a reason it's going to be the first television show ever to be distributed to IMAX theaters.

DaneMcCloud 01-29-2015 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 11298363)
Meh. I don't see the point on binging on Entourage. Treme gives me PTSD to my last semester of my second go around of college.. and I don't want to start power houring by myself.

I don't want to be depressed so that knocks out The Wire, Oz and The Leftovers.

I already finished Silicon Valley.. Maybe I'll watch Eastbound and Down.

Entourage, for me anyway, was considerably more enjoyable than Oz or Eastbound and Down, which had a nice premise but inconsistent to poor execution. I've never watched The Wire but I really enjoy Veep and the first season of Silicon Valley.

The Leftovers? Lindelof. Case closed. Do not pass go, do not collect $200.00 dollars.

Game of Thrones, IMO, is a binge watch season by season ordeal and it's even better on a large LCD/LED with premium sound. IMO, it's best viewed as a movie theater experience.

And don't forget the granddaddy of them all, The Sopranos. TV history.

keg in kc 01-29-2015 01:57 AM

I read all the ice and fire books years before they were on tv and it's still one of my current favorites. They're definitely worth watching even if you already been spoiled.

I would agree it's best binge watched, but I watch most things that way (last half season of twd still waiting on my dvr...). Some seasons of got I've binged, some I've watched sequentially.

Since this upcoming season marks the greatest book departure I'll likely watch weekly.

keg in kc 01-29-2015 02:03 AM

Another show I liked was Carnivale. It was just bizarre. In a good way. But it ended too soon.

Baby Lee 01-29-2015 03:21 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 11298393)
I read all the ice and fire books years before they were on tv and it's still one of my current favorites. They're definitely worth watching even if you already been spoiled.

I would agree it's best binge watched, but I watch most things that way (last half season of twd still waiting on my dvr...). Some seasons of got I've binged, some I've watched sequentially.

Since this upcoming season marks the greatest book departure I'll likely watch weekly.

Holy Schikes!! How did I not know Amanda Peet was married to David Beniof?

She was on Conan the other night saying she tried to talk him out of directing 'dungeons and dragons with regular people' before she knew what GoT was.

ROFL

NewChief 01-29-2015 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 11298366)
The wire is the best show of the past twenty years. Don't skip it.

Edited some other suggestions into my prior post.

Agreed on The Wire. I've finally got around to working my way through it over the last few months (started Season 4 last night).

I seem to watch a season, then take a week or two off as the show is pretty demanding. I wouldn't call it depressing at all, though. In fact, there are parts of it that are downright hilarious.

Buehler445 01-29-2015 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 11298361)
Your life is over once you discover hbogo.

Get caught up on game of.thrones if you haven't already. Fifth season begins in a few months. Stay out of show threads.

Then wire, sopranos, deadwood, boardwalk empire.

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 11298363)
Meh. I don't see the point on binging on Entourage. Treme gives me PTSD to my last semester of my second go around of college.. and I don't want to start power houring by myself.

I don't want to be depressed so that knocks out The Wire, Oz and The Leftovers.

I already finished Silicon Valley.. Maybe I'll watch Eastbound and Down.

Catch the wire. It's awesome. Deal with what it throws at you.

Also add Rome. Definitely worth your time.

Baby Lee 01-29-2015 09:55 AM

Make some time for Life and Times of Tim.

Imagine if Everyone Loves Raymond was written as Curb Your Enthusiasm instead, then imagine it was a cartoon.

Shades of Dr. Katz as well.

Not something you have to binge to appreciate. Just use it as a sorbet every once in a while.


While we're at it, Curb is another HBOGo must.

'Hamas' Jenkins 03-27-2015 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by NewChief (Post 11298450)
Agreed on The Wire. I've finally got around to working my way through it over the last few months (started Season 4 last night).

I seem to watch a season, then take a week or two off as the show is pretty demanding. I wouldn't call it depressing at all, though. In fact, there are parts of it that are downright hilarious.

This post is especially ironic given NC's profession and where he was at, season-wise when he wrote it.

'Hamas' Jenkins 03-27-2015 11:41 AM

I just wanted to bump this thread because I stayed from until 6:30 on Wednesday morning binge-watching True Detective.

God, what a ****ing letdown that finale was, not only from a plot-perspective, but in violating the characters for the point of a nice arc with a bow tied on it at the end of the season.

Blech.

TimBone 03-27-2015 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 11406345)
I just wanted to bump this thread because I stayed from until 6:30 on Wednesday morning binge-watching True Detective.

God, what a ****ing letdown that finale was, not only from a plot-perspective, but in violating the characters for the point of a nice arc with a bow tied on it at the end of the season.

Blech.

I agree. I was barely paying attention by the end of the finale. Disappointing.

Baby Lee 03-27-2015 02:38 PM

It was not what I expected from the early episodes, but I've largely long abandoned judging a show by what it's not.

Brock 03-27-2015 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 11406345)
I just wanted to bump this thread because I stayed from until 6:30 on Wednesday morning binge-watching True Detective.

God, what a ****ing letdown that finale was, not only from a plot-perspective, but in violating the characters for the point of a nice arc with a bow tied on it at the end of the season.

Blech.

Turned out to be a pretty standard horror-flecked whodunnit. I still enjoyed it, but those guys were just ****ing with us.

L.A. Chieffan 03-27-2015 10:09 PM

However it may have ended, and I agree they copped out, episode 4 is one of the greatest hours of tv in history.

The Poz 04-09-2015 12:02 PM

Teaser for Season 2.

http://devour.com/video/true-detective-season-2-teaser/

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/4OfU7CGY5DQ" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

eDave 04-09-2015 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by The Poz (Post 11427357)
Teaser for Season 2.

http://devour.com/video/true-detective-season-2-teaser/

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/4OfU7CGY5DQ" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Vince Vaughn is going to be fantastic in this.

ChiliConCarnage 04-09-2015 07:32 PM

Wow. June 21st? I thought it was going to be a really long wait.

Sure-Oz 04-09-2015 09:53 PM

Stoked for this

Aries Walker 04-09-2015 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by L.A. Chieffan (Post 11407398)
However it may have ended, and I agree they copped out, episode 4 is one of the greatest hours of tv in history.

Is that the episode that ended with that long continuous one-shot take? Because that was unearthly, a master class in filmmaking.

keg in kc 05-16-2015 12:52 PM

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/Q4uxGbhO4ag" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Deberg_1990 05-16-2015 06:46 PM

Vince Vaughn looks like he got skinny again. He had been pudgy as of late

rocknrolla 05-17-2015 12:39 AM

I was very hesitant of another season, Yet seeing the trailers i really think the casting might hold up. Seeing Vaughn in his "Clay Pigeons" type role is really refreshing. his good ole buddy shtick is so old.

eDave 05-17-2015 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by rocknrolla (Post 11504507)
I was very hesitant of another season, Yet seeing the trailers i really think the casting might hold up. Seeing Vaughn in his "Clay Pigeons" type role is really refreshing. his good ole buddy shtick is so old.

He was great in Domestic Disturbance. He's going to rock this role. He does a good bad guy.

Bowser 05-17-2015 03:56 PM

Very much looking forward to the next chapter.

Anyong Bluth 05-17-2015 08:19 PM

What do we have, 3 weeks til the 1st episode?

BigMeatballDave 05-18-2015 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Anyong Bluth (Post 11505592)
What do we have, 3 weeks til the 1st episode?

More like 5.

Sully 05-18-2015 06:23 PM

Begs the question.

Is it possible for Rachel McAdams not to be absolutely ****ing beautiful?

'Hamas' Jenkins 05-18-2015 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Sully (Post 11506769)
Begs the question.

Is it possible for Rachel McAdams not to be absolutely ****ing beautiful?

I take it you haven't seen the trailer.

Sully 05-18-2015 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 11506773)
I take it you haven't seen the trailer.

I havet, and even looking strung out and with a shitty haircut, she still looks amazing, IMO.

Have any of you watched "Sirens?" For my money, it's one of the top 3 funniest shows on TV right now, but one of the actressrs, at times, looks just like McAdams. Yeesh...

Bambi 05-19-2015 10:49 PM

http://media.giphy.com/media/FIuAbLITj1bcA/giphy.gif

Molitoth 05-25-2015 09:56 PM

Holy hard-on Batman.
Sorry I am late to the party!

I just got to Season 1, Episode 4 (the first shootout in the ghetto).
Adrenaline is pumping, this show is great!

Anyong Bluth 05-26-2015 10:11 AM

New trailer for season 2 has been playing on HBO since Sunday. Looking forward to the start of this storyline.

BWillie 05-26-2015 04:34 PM

I think I would have picked a more unique setting, Los Angeles doesn't sound very appealing for a show like this. I'd pick somewhere with a very unique culture, that is why I thought the bayou was pretty cool. Don't get me wrong, LA HAS TONS OF CULTURE, but part of what made TD1 so different was the setting. Something in the Appalachians, UP, upper northeast just would give it a better feel IMO.

GloucesterChief 06-21-2015 08:04 PM

Not as captivating as the first episode of the first season. Things should pick up next week though.

Sure-Oz 06-21-2015 09:22 PM

So far Farrel's character is interesting.

GloucesterChief 06-21-2015 09:27 PM

I don't know alcoholic dirty thug cop isn't exactly groundbreaking. There wasn't anything in the first episode showing us a glimmer of something more there.

The most interesting was the guy who got the least amount of screen time. The adrenaline junkie/death seeker with all the nasty scars. Just because we don't know too much about him.

Sure-Oz 06-21-2015 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by GloucesterChief (Post 11560203)
I don't know alcoholic dirty thug cop isn't exactly groundbreaking. There wasn't anything in the first episode showing us a glimmer of something more there.

The most interesting was the guy who got the least amount of screen time. The adrenaline junkie/death seeker with all the nasty scars. Just because we don't know too much about him.

I like his chick too

Discuss Thrower 06-21-2015 10:03 PM

I love the neo-noir feel of the show so far.

GloucesterChief 06-21-2015 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 11560269)
I like his chick too

Best part of the episode. She is stunningly beautiful.

Discuss Thrower 06-21-2015 10:10 PM

Spoiler!

tk13 06-21-2015 10:23 PM

Colin Ferrell is going to be great. I'm not sure about everyone else quite yet. I don't expect it to be as good as season 1... but even that took 2-3 episodes to really get going.

Bambi 06-21-2015 11:21 PM

Very disappointing.

That being said it appears there simply isn't a reason to hire anyone outside of the Australian continent to do your cinematography. They're so ****ing good at it.

Nigel Bluck follows Adam Arkapaw who may be the best going at the moment. I'll watch the show just for these kind of shots alone...

https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/dxr...6/lastshot.png

KCUnited 06-22-2015 06:36 AM

This is my least favorite episode.

L.A. Chieffan 06-22-2015 09:53 AM

Horrible episode. Terrible writing and laughable acting. Almost seemed like an SNL skit

Skyy God 06-22-2015 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by KCUnited (Post 11560409)
This is my least favorite episode.

Not surprising. Recent interviews suggest the show runner is a douche-bro of the highest magnitude and may have lucked into a compelling Season 1.

Bambi 06-22-2015 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Cave Johnson (Post 11560795)
Not surprising. Recent interviews suggest the show runner is a douche-bro of the highest magnitude and may have lucked into a compelling Season 1.

I'm believing this more and more.

Season 1 was awesome because about half way through reddit went crazy trying to figure out all this deep-rooted symbolism and hidden meaning, blah blah...

And the tracking shot scene was really badass.

Then it kind of fell apart.

Still looks great though.

Bambi 06-22-2015 11:54 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">No chance I learn the characters names in True Detective. They are Vince Vaughn, Colin Farrell, McAdams, and Riggins</p>&mdash; Brendan Clancy (@BrendanClancy) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrendanClancy/status/613038518479245312">June 22, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Anyong Bluth 06-22-2015 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Bambi (Post 11560332)
Very disappointing.

That being said it appears there simply isn't a reason to hire anyone outside of the Australian continent to do your cinematography. They're so ****ing good at it.

Nigel Bluck follows Adam Arkapaw who may be the best going at the moment. I'll watch the show just for these kind of shots alone...

https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/dxr...6/lastshot.png

I'm not even joking when I say that gorgeous cinematography can allow me to overlook a ton of holes or weaknesses for a film, or in this case episode of essentially a miniseries.

In fact, I'm not even judging this against last season.
It has barely any connection with the previous story, and that's only people involved behind the camera.


I don't get all the rush to judgment after 1 episode. People are building up some mythical timeline as if right after episode 1 last season there was mass hysteria and the internets were ablaze with conspiratorial chatter.

I'll give you that the opening scene from last season raised some enigmatic excitement, but a lot of it was a slow burn. Often, the analysis and detection of the subtle clues is what made the show that much more significant and satisfying.

Rest assured, there are plenty of breadcrumbs littered about in the episode that may reveal themselves down the road. Yet, some seem to confuse boring with not being clubbed over the head with blatantly obvious signal flashing as to plot progression.

There's already a few items from this 1st episode that give pause for greater exploration. I haven't even looked online to see what other things people picked up on and speculative theories.

Where's the payoff in being spoonfed some homogeneous goo for a narrative exposition?

Quick and easy, and you can suck it up through a straw.

In opposition, it requires time and preparation to blend and then bring it to a heat. The end result is unquestionably more satisfying, because if you truly want something unique and rich in texture, it still requires you to chew your own meat.

Anyong Bluth 06-22-2015 05:58 PM

That said, if it suck it sucks.

I just refuse to pass judgment after 1 episode

GloucesterChief 06-22-2015 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Anyong Bluth (Post 11561488)
That said, if it suck it sucks.

I just refuse to pass judgment after 1 episode

The first episode of last season was captivating since it only featured Hart & Cohle. This one was way too jumbled I think.

Last season every episode peeled away the layers of each character and the people around them using their competing recollections of the original investigation. We learned about who Rust and Marty were as we learned about the case.

This season seems to want us to learn about the characters then we get to the mystery. It also hurts that the roles seem cliched. Alcoholic dirty cop, empowered female cop with Daddy issues. There seems to be no subtlety to the story at this point.

BWillie 06-22-2015 06:31 PM

Theres no way any character can possibly be as interesting as Rust Cohle.

Anyong Bluth 06-22-2015 06:45 PM

Just one person weighing in on a few thoughts on episode 1.

This doesn't even get into the whole taxidermy situation...


One of my favorite parts of True Detective are the philosophical discussions and literary allusions throughout the show. I thought I’d make a thread to talk about the literary – either written or visual – allusions and the philosophical elements in episode 1, “The Western Book of the Dead.”
If you have others that I’ve missed, please put them in the comments and I’ll be sure to add them and give credit. I’ll also use elements of a couple other posts and, again, will give credit and link to the relevant user.


“Never do anything cause of hunger, not even eating.” – Frank Semyon


This is a key point in the work of Jean-Paul Sartre, the French novelist, playwright, essayist, and philosopher. Sartre was one of the primary atheistic existentialists; an outline of his beliefs can be found in Existentialism Is A Humanism.
Existentialism’s core tenet is that “existence precedes essence.” What this, effectively, means is that there is nothing outside of yourself that constrains you. You are not born a coward, you become a coward. Even this formulation, “you become a coward,” would most likely unsettle someone like Sartre. He would probably say “You are not a coward, you act cowardly.” Therefore, at any moment, the coward can turn and, rather than run from the battle, plunge into the fray head-first. We act in “bad faith” when we fail to recognize this truth and constrain ourselves with chains that are of our own making. We say “I can’t do A because I must do B.” But we really don’t have to do B; we have simply chosen that B is, for whatever reason, what we ought to do, even if this reason is not evident. Thus, when someone says “I’m a bad parent, therefore I shouldn’t interact with my child” or what have you, Sartre would step in and say that they have erected a false essence which causes them to act in bad faith. In reality, you have radical freedom to decide how you will act.
In Existentialism is a Humanism, Sartre mentions eating as rarely being a choice. Often, it is simply in response to the stimulus of hunger. For Sartre, this is far too passive of an act to be truly free. (Describing this, it sounds a bit odd, but there is a deeper layer present in the essay.)
Thus, when Frank says “Never do anything cause of hunger, not even eating,” what he is really saying is “Don’t be constrained. Stop acting in bad faith and pretending that you have limitations you don’t. Choose to do everything that you do. Be active, not passive.


Antigone’s father


Though a small part, Antigone’s father (can’t seem to find the character name online), drops some important ideas right off the bat.
First is the glimpse of a Dostoevskyan hippie. I don’t have the episode in front of me and I can’t seem to find a transcription anywhere online, so I’ll have to paraphrase.
“First, you have to recognize that we live in a meaningless world. But this was not how it was meant to be. God did not create a world without meaning. Hold these two thoughts as irrevocable truth.”
This idea is both very Dostoevskyan and very Hegelian. First, Dostoevsky.
With the picture of Ray in the bar with his brown swag going so closely resembling the famous Fyodor Dostoevsky portrait, I was on the look-out for anything FyDo. Dostoevsky, if you haven’t read him, is famous for placing characters who feel a strong moral imperative in such grim situations that the world seems to collapse upon them, draining any sense of justice from their bodies like summer sweat. I think this is what Ani’s father is talking about.
Karl Ove Knausgaard speaks of Dostoevsky’s “ideal” in My Struggle Vol. 2. Though he often depicts terrible things in his work, Dostoevsky is a very moral writer. There are clearly things which Dostoevsky feels are right and good and those he feels are wrong. But examining these situations, FyDo’s characters have difficulties, near impossibilities, distinguishing these. You can see his characters fighting to synthesize the ideal with the real – the heavenly with the earthly – life with death – happiness with sorrow, etc.
As far as Hegel goes, the exercise Ani’s father is leading, though monastic it seems, is actually a pretty Hegelian in nature. Hegel proposed the idea of a synthesis, merging a thesis with an anti-thesis to create something. This is probably one of the most influential pieces of thought in the history of thought. From Hegel comes Marx, Nietzsche, Foucault, Baudrillard, Butler, and a thousand others (obviously, not exclusively).
The second thing Ani’s nameless dad drops is the Ginsberg reference. This is not referring to the nipple-less MadMen ad man, but to Allen Ginsberg, an American beat poet from 1950-2000s. Ginsberg is famous for a number of reasons, one large one being the obscenity trial which occurred following the publication of Howl and other poems. Ginsberg was a Beat (friends with Neal Cassidy, Jack Kerouac), a group of writers who came out of the American Transcendentalist tradition (Emerson, Thoreau, Walt Whitman) and led to the hippie movement of the late 60s and 70s. (The Merry Pranksters were originally Beats, iirc.)
Ginsberg was an interesting poet, very mystical in nature. I think Ginsberg would have loved the Yellow King stuff in season 1 and would have adored that Santa Muerte skeleton at Casper’s house. Howl, his most famous, though probably not his best, poem, is set largely in an asylum where hallucinations run rampant. Ginsberg also experimented with a good deal of LSD. Here’s him reciting a LSD poem on William Buckley’s The Firing Line. Listen to that ****ing meter flow so goddamn naturally. Don’t care much for Ginsberg, but the guy can write a line of meter very well, especially in free verse.
I think this goes to show us that Ani and her father have a deeper foot in the mystical pond than we may suspect.


Antigone herself


Antigone is, obviously, an odd name. It took an odd couple to name their child Antigone. One, the mother, an actor – this makes sense seeing as Antigone was a play written by Sophocles and performed in Ancient Greece as part of the Theban cycle. The other is a mystic teacher, which can make sense, seeing as Antigone exists in a world where the gods routinely reach their hands into the earth and play around with humans. However, the narrative of Antigone, the whole Theban Cycle in fact, is important.

It's well-pointed out some similarities here. It may be necessary to go a bit further.
The ultimate conflict of Antigone is one of radical choice (see the Sartre part above). Antigone’s brother is killed in battle and lies in scorn outside of the city, open to the scavenging animals. The victorious king, Creon, has forbade anyone – under pain of death – to bury the brother, wanting to make his death an example. However, Antigone feels she cannot allow her brother to die in such disrespect and sets out to bury him herself, knowing this will mean her death. Eventually, Creon is convinced to let her free but not before she kills herself. Then, Creon’s son, who was Antigone’s fiancé, kills himself. And Creon’s wife, who just lost her only remaining son, kills herself as well.
This being said, I cannot imagine that our Antigone will have a happy character arc.
The parallels are definitely not exact between the stories, which is a good thing. Casper, seeing as his eyes have been put out, would parallel Oedipus, who is Antigone’s father (in the Theban Cycle). Casper, as far as we can tell, is not Ani’s father (unless TD gets very soap opera-y).



Mulholland Drive


As a car goes up an entrance ramp to a highway, there is a sign that says “Mulholland Drive.” MD is, obviously, a street in LA, but is also the name of a David Lynch film.
Lynch is a very unique filmmaker. Many people are familiar with Twin Peaks, Lynch’s TV show. I’ll be honest and say I’m not a Lynch afficienado. I’ve read a great essay on Lynch by David Foster Wallace. There’s also an interview with DFW about Lynch on Charlie Rose.
Lynch often mixes realism with things that are so damn far from realism, they are hard to understand. Here is where I think NicPizz is prepping us using the nude-Asian-woman-in-a-milk-bowl.
From If others would like to add things here, I’d be happy to see them.



Santa Muerte



Inside of Casper's destroyed apartment, the only item found there that isn't sex / phallic related is a skeleton with an Egyptian like crown on it. The skeleton is a Santa Muerte icon. You can see the picture on wikipedia[1] . I believe she's even holding a globe, which is common for icons of Santa Muerte. I've seen her a lot in folk Catholicism around LA, veladoras and so forth. As far as her significance, it could mean: - Casper is a member of the church of Santa Muerte (seems unlikely) - Casper's practicing some kind of folk Catholicism, curanderia/brujeria, or similar rituals (fits with the Season 1 Yellow King themes) - they just threw it in to look badass and creepy (disappointing, but seems most likely)
From there, it gets a bit less clear.


Mrs. Seymon


I’d wager that Mrs. Seymon will turn out to fit the Lady Macbeth trope pretty accurately. Firstly, we see her being supportive and talking down to the one henchman for being a dumb****. Secondly, she’s a redhead. I can just about count on one hand how many female redheads in TV and film that aren’t evil.



The Book of the Dead



First, the title of the episode is Western Book of the Dead. This drew my attention to two popular texts. First, the Egyptian book of the Dead. Second, the Necronomicon. I like the allusion to the Necronomicon more because it's largely attributed to HP Lovecraft, the same style author related to the King in Yellow from Season 1.
I'm not very familiar with either books, so if others would like to chime in, I'd be happy to add your comments.


One more that was missed:

In Casper's apartment, one of the only non-explicit paintings depicts the death of Ophelia, from Hamlet. Ophelia, as you may recall, fell into the waters of a river and was so grief-stricken that she did not fight to stay afloat - she resigned herself.
Sounds very familiar to Ani Bezzerides' mother who committed suicide by walking into a river and letting it sweep her up.


Thoughts?



Anyong Bluth 06-22-2015 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 11561532)
Theres no way any character can possibly be as interesting as Rust Cohle.

I agree completely, but how many other actors are going to on their own write a 450+ page treatment on their character (Cohle) on his backstory, and some sort of "4 phases of his metamorphosis", plus whatever else fills up an entire novelsworth of information?

Anyong Bluth 06-22-2015 07:10 PM

What was the book in Rachel McAdam's place? I think it had a dark cover and started with an H?


Hagakure I think. http://www.realfuture.org/erudition/...o_Hagakure.jpg


Hagakure :per wikipedia
the book records tsunetomo's views on bushido, the warrior code of the samurai. hagakure is sometimes said to assert that bushido is really the "way of dying" or living as though one was already dead, and that a samurai must be willing to die at any moment in order to be true to his lord. his saying "the way of the warrior is death" was a summation of the willingness to sacrifice that bushido codified.[2]

This helped me understand the "tool" board, seen by her bedroom entry, and wooden man in her apartment as well.

GloucesterChief 06-22-2015 07:17 PM

Yes, I picked up on that. It is still cliche as hell.

Anyong Bluth 06-22-2015 07:49 PM

I know this is terrible, but I honestly kept cracking up when I saw this.


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