And this is why people get pissy at the AS "defenders".

Blaming the blocking on that play?

I don't care if all 5 OLmen blew their block, Alex has to protect the ball.


Personally, I can live with the fumble and the throw to Gray.

It's the mistake of repeatedly calling for the snap with 10-15 seconds on the play clock in the 2nd half when you're trying to protect a lead that kills me. It's bad football from a guy that is praised for his smarts.

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Beat me to it. If you want to pin something on AS, this is where it starts and ends, IMO.

Bad situational football from one of the smartest guys in the league.

Now that is a fair complaint. You would think though that if it were on Alex, Andy would be in his ear with "why the hell aren't you running the clock?"

Unfortunately, this team does not care one bit about clock management.

No team ever plays perfect games. Game was no different from the Arrowhead games against SD and Denver, really. Just doesn't make sense to argue that the offense is responsible because they didn't score a TD every drive, especially against a team like Indy who doesn't have a great offense.

Sure, had the offense played perfectly in the second half -- we all know the handful of plays -- we'd have won. But if the offense has to play perfectly to win, we're doomed. It's obvious to me at least, going forward, that we can't win until we can occasionally stop the pass.

Obviously neither of them were paying attention. Nor anyone else in the huddle, on the sideline or in the coaches box. I haven't watched the broadcast yet, not sure if it was mentioned there.

Meanwhile, in the stands, I'm freaking the **** out.

It falls on both of them.

The best defense really is a good offense. Had we scored one more TD after going up 38-10, we likely win the game. Had we gone on one extended drive in the 3rd or 4th quarter, we likely win the game. Had everything remained the same but we bled the play clock down to :01 before every snap, we likely win that game.

It's hard to say who's at fault for the clock management. I've heard a lot of people blame Reid for that, but here we have people blaming Smith for it, as well. Who the heck knows?

I think the idea is run the ball, burn the clock, but with your first and second string running backs out, that's kind of hard to do. All the injuries made for a tough situation.

Well, ultimately, the QB is responsible. He's the one calling for the snap.

However, when your QB is repeatedly going full reerun and calling for the snap with 13 on the clock when you're trying to hold a lead - someone should step up and make him aware - whether it be a coach or a fellow player.

Both of them, then.

OMFG you guys are arguing like a bunch of women in this thread (and many other too lol).

Bottom line, WE LOST. If we have Jamaal Charles, we do not lose, even with the defensive collapse, AS fumble, we do not lose. We would of had some semblence of a running game in the 2nd half, he would of caught that pass, or we would of at least had a TD instead of FG.

Alex proved he can play like a MOFo, and we can win with him as long as we have a competent D. He is our best option right now, and probably for a year or two more. He needs to get an extension, and I believe he will sign one. I can only imagine afer being cast out of SF, he has something to prove, and he knows going to a new team and a new system (after next season) is not going to do it. Im sure hes tired of new systems. I bet he wants to be a Chief for a long time. And I certianly hope he is.

I'm not so sure we put up 31 points in the first half with Charles. I'm not saying we wouldn't have, but having him in completely changes the game plan. The game would have been totally different..

I wish we could go back in time, keep Jamaal out for the first half like he was, then bring him back in for the second half. Holy balls, Indy's goose would have been cooked.

If he could of been cleared, that would of been crazy awesome.

Yeah, it really falls on everyone; but Alex, in all his infinite wisdom, should have known.

That kind of situational awareness should just go without saying. Andy should have had the guys on the sidelines, huddled up, going over what was expected of them just to be safe though.

Catch every pass, don't run out of bounds if at all possible, absolutely no turnovers, and let that ****ing play clock wind down before every snap.

The clock was the enemy, man. The clock was the enemy.

Why doesn't Andy Reid just have one guy whose sole job is to advise him on clock management?

Seriously. Anyone on CP would happily do that job in exchange for his current salary.

It is strange, for sure.

Seriously, I've played guys in Madden with more situational awareness than Reid's shown in his time here.

Raises hand

As I have said, Andy needs help with situational football.

He really needs to hire an adviser. He is a good coach damn that mofo just doesn't make the best decisions sometimes.

same thing can be said about your brood.

Smith plays well but some still only focus on the few mistakes he made
Bowe plays well and some defend/ignore the mistakes he made


petulant

Holy ****, you're reeruned.

I'm the ONLY person in this thread that isn't blaming a single player or position group.

Dipshit.

I have had that position as well, it was a team loss including the coaches. As far as AS goes, the buck stops there, as he was the one at the helm of the O with opportunity at the end.

My apologies, Ed. I apparently missed it.

No problem friend, we are all worn out by this latest debacle in the long line of many. You had to travel after that game, glad it wasn't me!

I understand you lose as a team, and that there were things the O and Smith could've done to pull out the win, but it's small, very small compared to what really lost the game.

Answer this. Regardless of not running the clock or missing a few throws. Should the Chiefs have won with what Smith did? Were the numbers the O put up enough for a team to win nine times out of ten? Hell 19 times out of 20. The O played winning football without the one player everyone here would say they CAN'T win without. I have no complaints with the O.

Out of over 250 games in the NFL this season 2 were lost while a team scored 40 points.

I think if I were to tell anyone before the game that Smith would lose Charles 5 plays into the game and the offense still scores 44 points everyone would have said it would be a win

Would you care to reference a single poster doing that? I believe you're full of shit.

Just when you thought it was over...

Way to bring up a post that happened hours ago and has already been rectified. Perhaps my getting off that certain topic in this thread wasn't enough for you?

You apparently suck at reading. People who defended Bowe all season haven't dismissed his mistakes.

Pardon me for not living on here all day. I quoted it as I saw it.

We go up 28 with 13:39 left in the third.

28:39 left up 4 touchdowns.

Guys are catching the ball and going out of bounds.

We are snapping the ball with lots of time left on the play clock.

After we went up by 28, we threw 28 passes and only ran it 10 times.

Like OTWP said, EVERYONE had a hand to play in the epic fail.

Albert Breer estimated that alex smith will get 5 years 90 mil 54 guaranteed

This. I don't know if it's because Reid didn't trust Davis and Gray to carry the load or what. But as soon as Indy scored to bring it to 21.....it should have clicked in his brain that he had no other choice but to trust them.

If you run it 3 times and run a full play clock with no first down, how much time can you burn off?

Whoa. That's a ton of guaranteed jack.

Yup he's gonna get Cutler money

No one is saying to run it three times in a row. But 10 times in the second half is pathetic.

You can bleed off :39 seconds for every play and add in roughly 5 seconds for each play.

You could probably take off a good 3 minutes of clock with just three straight runs if you go three and out.

Oh I know, I was just curious.

Hell, I was thinking we could have just kneeled it 3 times and punted

Gotcha.

It should have been runs and short passes.

Let's assume they are very short runs, so we'll go with a 5 second play. The refs usually take about 5 seconds to set the play clock, so that's 10. If the Chiefs snapped the ball at 2-3 seconds, that would burn 22-23 seconds more. So 33 seconds each play x 3 plays = 99 seconds. Another 33 would be burned for the punt, then figure 10 seconds for the punt. So 142 seconds = 2 minutes and 22 seconds. Not much time burned off the clock.

But all they'd have to do is pick up one first down and you'd almost double that time. Once they went up 28, they should have been running it into the pile over and over. Of course, then CP would have had a meltdown saying Smith and Reid don't have that "killer instinct."

We could have significantly shortened the 3 quarter by running it more.

Hum.

I don't really get the "wait another year rhetoric" some have, what else do you want to see?

But that's not cheap either

Every time I look at this thread title, the thought of Alex Smith having a small penis and his wife asking us to encourage him to try Extenze crosses my mind.

http://extenze4u.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/2-2.jpg

18 mil per and you still have to extend Berry, Houston, and Poe. What happens with Charles if he asks for more money? Someone from the defense will have to go after next year (hali or flowers)

I think one will be gone no matter what

I'd rather not extend him, draft a qb, and franchise him after next year.

Let me preface this by saying I'd be OK with giving him something around 5/75 provided it allows us to get away from him in 2 years if necessary, and it doesn't restrict us from filling all the holes we have.

With that said - I would have liked to have seen his level of play from the Indy game be the rule, not the exception before locking him up long term.

On Saturday, he showed he can perform at that level - I'm wondering why he hasn't shown he can do it consistently.

At this point I think that's what we're going to be forced to do. We have a bunch of key guys that need re-signed/restructured.

The cap is not our friend next season.

I'll get blasted for this, but Hali can go as far as I'm concerned.

Not sure why he gets a pass around here, but he was ****ing invisible the second half of the season, save the Washington game.

I bet he's one of the first guys the Chiefs ask to restructure.

I don't think he was 100%

Flowers can go.

Unfortunately this. I think Hali is starting his decline and with his cap number....it's going to be hard to keep him around.

Find me someone in this league that's 100% after the first few weeks.

Get the ****ing job done.

Cheaper to franchise someone else..you do not want the $ associated with that designation on a QB. You also don't want to use the non-exclusive tag because a team with more money and a worse QB will come and snag him.

And yes, I think there are teams out there that would pay 2 1st round picks for Alex now.

I wonder if Hali is the age he supposedly is..

I agree....his lack of pressure led to the carvings by Rivers, Manning and Luck....silver lining is exposing the secondary...I can't help but think of your comment at the Ram..(second string defense.)

Can we please stop this Bullcrap about Alex not running down the play clock

After we went up 38-10

Drive one

Play 1 Run
Play 2 Run
Play 3 Pass incomplete

3 plays, 5 yards, 1:34 elapsed. So play 1 and 2 Alex used the whole 40 sec play clock


Drive 2

Play 1 Pass for 4 yards
Play 2 Run no gain
Play 3 Pass incomplete

FG

4 plays, 4 yards, 1:32 elapsed. So play 1 and 2 Alex used the whole 40 sec play clock


Drive 3

Play 1 Pass to Bowe
Play 2 Pass to Dvis
Play 3 Alex Run First down
Play 4 Pass incomplete PENALTY on IND-J.Gordy First down
Play 5 Run
Play 6 Pass incomplete
Play 7 Pass incomplete

Punt

6 plays, 40 yards, 2:44 elapsed All the Plays the clock could move Alex used the whole play clock


Drive 4

Play 1 Pass to Hemingway First Down
Play 2 Run ( Davis hurt clock stopped)
Play 3 Pass incomplete
Play 4 Pass to Bowe First down
Play 5 Run
Play 6 Pass to Fasano Then KC used a Timeout
Play 7 Pass to Jenkins First down Then KC used a Timeout
Play 8 Pass to Dex
Play 9 Pass to Sherman
play 10 Pass to Dex some reason he went ob
Play 11 FG


11 plays, 58 yards, 5:02 elapsed Alex used the whole play clock




Drive 5 Was the Last drive


I know you Alex haters make up facts but he used the whole 40 sec clock. So can we end that dumb shit?

TY Hilton with Flowers covering him - 4 recs 29 yds

TY Hilton with Flowers out of the game - 9 recs infinity yards two scores

No blast from me.
He is a solid citizen, but he is a one trick pony as many have said and he is on the back side of his career.
Draft someone that can fill the spot.
Maybe Dorsey can get Minnesota to give up a first and two thirds for him?

...almost TinyE..NEW on FOX!

The problem with waiting, is that if that does become th norm, were gonna be in trouble money wise

Hali was ****ing fat this year. Bring back trim Hali

That 3rd quarter, man. That shit dragged on forever.

I thought it might never end.

Injuries completely ****ed us that game.

No Charles = No MVP
No Avery = No deep threat
No Flowers = Avery running wide open because Lewis is a ****ing idiot.

Hali and Flowers both need to re-structure both can be replaced.

You mean Hilton?

Berry at 11.6m next year will need to be fixed.

That game was an absolute perfect storm of ****ery, from the injuries to the playcalling to the defensive collapse. I'm still in awe of what I watched. Pretty sure none of us will ever see anything like it again, at least we won't for a long, long time.

We're in trouble money wise now, AFAIC.

They're going to have to dump a ****ton of salary just to get Houston locked up, which is Priority 1.

If smith is like urban Meyer said and will further improve this another year in the same system, he'll only get more expensive.

Yeah.....on my phone and trying to do 3 different things at one time.

This Urban Meyer quote is getting a ton of play it doesn't deserve, IMO.

Smith's second season in Harbaugh's system?

His YPC, YPG and INT% were all worse than in 2011.

Well, that doesn't mean he was playing worse. He wasn't in fact.

He was playing better than he ever had. He had complete control of the offense. It just so happened that they also were leading the league in Rushing while Alex Smith was the qb.

His numbers were screwed over by three games that season.

The Jets game, he did not play well, the Minny game, did not play well, and the NYG game he didn't play well.

And here come the excuses...

"He had such a complete control of the offense, he threw for 174 yards a game."

Minus the games with the hand injury he looked much better in 2012 (with maybe the exception of the Vikings game) than he did in 2011 with the Niners. I would not be surprised to see Alex improve next season. I wouldn't expect 300 yard games from him unless that was the only way the win is going to happen..but he'll be more efficient.