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Chiefs Pantalones 01-02-2018 09:57 PM
This team isn’t winning their conference this year. But if De Sousa and Preston get eligible there might be a run in March. But I doubt it.

Buehler445 01-02-2018 09:58 PM
Alright, That Zhaire kid is ****ing legit. Holy hell.

Quote:
Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 13326689)
It's not a narrative, anybody that has been to that place or watches these games knows that.

Also, KU has been getting favourable calls all half. That 50/50 ball was one of them.
Yeah, every major program has a homecourt advantage. He doesn't have to be an insufferable **** about it.

sedated 01-02-2018 09:59 PM
I cant remember a year that KU looked barely more than a bunch of leftover spare parts. At least in 2009 there was Sherron and Cole.

Probably just a bad game, but 3s can be defended if everyone in the country knows that's all you can do.

KC_Connection 01-02-2018 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 13326696)
Alright, That Zhaire kid is ****ing legit. Holy hell.



Yeah, every major program has a homecourt advantage. He doesn't have to be an insufferable **** about it.
AFH's is bigger than anywhere else.There's a reason KU doesn't lose at home (until this soft team came into existence anyway) and it isn't just because they are generally really good.

BWillie 01-02-2018 09:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 13326689)
It's not a narrative, anybody that has been to that place or watches these games knows that.

Also, KU has been getting favourable calls all half. That 50/50 ball was one of them.
It's a fallacy. Look at the last 2 or 3 years of fouls at home vs fouls called away for Big 12 teams. Last time I checked last year, KU was 7th out of 10 teams while Iowa State was by far and away the most beneficial of home cooking. They arent the boo clones for nothing. If anything, the false narrative makes refs think twice about calling "crowd induced fouls".

BigRedChief 01-02-2018 09:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 13326639)
I'm more ready for the NBA than Malik Newman right now. The guy isn't even a good college player.
he is not playing good. Shouldn't even be starting based on performance merit.

BWillie 01-02-2018 10:01 PM
Why hasn't Graham been doing this all year? He's been attacking the rim like an animal this half. Too bad it's too late.

Chiefs Pantalones 01-02-2018 10:02 PM
I wish Graham would’ve left so we’d have Trae Young.

Sorry but it’s the truth.

Buehler445 01-02-2018 10:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 13326699)
AFH's is bigger than anywhere else.There's a reason KU doesn't lose at home (until this soft team came into existence anyway) and it isn't just because they are generally really good.
:spock: You really think the advantage from AFH is better than Cameron or Rupp? Or even UNC? Hell Koch arena is actually pretty decent.

The biggest part of KUs run has been consistency. It's not like any of these teams have fielded a terrible road record but always wins at home.

KC_Connection 01-02-2018 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 13326702)
It's a fallacy. Look at the last 2 or 3 years of fouls at home vs fouls called away for Big 12 teams. Last time I checked last year, KU was 7th out of 10 teams while Iowa State was by far and away the most beneficial of home cooking. They arent the boo clones for nothing. If anything, the false narrative makes refs think twice about calling "crowd induced fouls".
Such a stat is entirely dependent on how physical a team is defensively and how good a team is at getting to the FT line.

DJJasonp 01-02-2018 10:03 PM
Heh...what was i saying about franchilla a few weeks back? This is about as blatant rooting against as ive seen from him

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BWillie 01-02-2018 10:03 PM
That wasn't a foul there. Defender is entitled to vertical space.

KC_Connection 01-02-2018 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 13326714)
:spock: You really think the advantage from AFH is better than Cameron or Rupp? Or even UNC? Hell Koch arena is actually pretty decent.

The biggest part of KUs run has been consistency. It's not like any of these teams have fielded a terrible road record but always wins at home.
There's not a doubt in my mind that AFH is more favorable than any of those places. They've lost 11 ****ing games in the Self era here. KU was the best team in the country over that period of time, but not THAT much better.

BWillie 01-02-2018 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 13326715)
Such a stat is entirely dependent on how physical a team is defensively and how good a team is at getting to the FT line.
You are a stat guy. Stats have clearly shown that Iowa State in the last 3 years gets way more calls AT HOME compared to ON THE ROAD compared anyone else in the Big 12. There was an entire thread ab out it on the Phog last year showing the stats. It's not made up.

KC_Connection 01-02-2018 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Chiefs Pantalones (Post 13326712)
I wish Graham would’ve left so we’d have Trae Young.

Sorry but it’s the truth.
Trae Young + this same group of players goes nowhere.

KC_Connection 01-02-2018 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 13326722)
You are a stat guy. Stats have clearly shown that Iowa State in the last 3 years gets way more calls AT HOME compared to ON THE ROAD compared anyone else in the Big 12. There was an entire thread ab out it on the Phog last year showing the stats. It's not made up.
Show me it.

Buehler445 01-02-2018 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by DJJasonp (Post 13326716)
Heh...what was i saying about franchilla a few weeks back? This is about as blatant rooting against as ive seen from him

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Someone must have got in his ear. He's backing off that all the sudden ROFL

BWillie 01-02-2018 10:06 PM
Game over. Tech is going to be good for a while too as long as Beard is there. Two really good freshman.

BigRedChief 01-02-2018 10:06 PM
You take this team out of their "normal" game, these players don't know how to respond or play at a high level.

Without help this team ain't winning the Big12 or making any kind of run in the tournament.

BWillie 01-02-2018 10:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 13326724)
Show me it.
https://www.teamrankings.com/ncb/

Just look it up.

BigRedChief 01-02-2018 10:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chiefs Pantalones (Post 13326712)
I wish Graham would’ve left so we’d have Trae Young.

Sorry but it’s the truth.
so that's why he didn't come? How do you know that?

BWillie 01-02-2018 10:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 13326723)
Trae Young + this same group of players goes nowhere.
Ha. No Trae Young and Oklahoma gets last in the Big 12.

Buehler445 01-02-2018 10:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 13326719)
There's not a doubt in my mind that AFH is more favorable than any of those places. They've lost 11 ****ing games in the Self era here. KU was the best team in the country over that period of time, but not THAT much better.
Gotta disagree. And granted it is subjective, but I am about as homer as it gets and I can't sit here and say the AFH factor isn't materially better than Rupp or Cameron for sure. And not all that much better than several others.

Hell look at Morgantown. That place allows a team to play a type of basketball that isn't possible anywhere else. Look at WVU home/away record every year.

Buehler445 01-02-2018 10:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 13326729)
Game over. Tech is going to be good for a while too as long as Beard is there. Two really good freshman.
That Zhaire Smith kid is nasty. I hope he declares.

KC_Connection 01-02-2018 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 13326733)
I'd have no idea where to start. Once again, a stat like the one you described would not prove that AFH's advantage isn't more than other buildings anyway.

KC_Connection 01-02-2018 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 13326736)
Ha. No Trae Young and Oklahoma gets last in the Big 12.
Sure, but that still doesn't change what I said. Devonte Graham is one of the best players in the country this season. Replacing him with Trae Young with this group of soft players accomplishes very little.

TambaBerry 01-02-2018 10:13 PM
I swear it's like this team just doesn't give a shit

ROYC75 01-02-2018 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by sedated (Post 13326698)
I cant remember a year that KU looked barely more than a bunch of leftover spare parts. At least in 2009 there was Sherron and Cole.

Probably just a bad game, but 3s can be defended if everyone in the country knows that's all you can do.
Without more big man help, this team is doomed. They can't come out and shoot like they did against Texas night in and night out.

Plus the fact we don't defend worth a shit is another major issue!

KC_Connection 01-02-2018 10:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 13326741)
Gotta disagree. And granted it is subjective, but I am about as homer as it gets and I can't sit here and say the AFH factor isn't materially better than Rupp or Cameron for sure. And not all that much better than several others.

Hell look at Morgantown. That place allows a team to play a type of basketball that isn't possible anywhere else. Look at WVU home/away record every year.
I think the 12 losses speak for themselves, but there's really no way to properly do this.

BWillie 01-02-2018 10:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 13326745)
I'd have no idea where to start. Once again, a stat like the one you described would not prove that AFH's advantage isn't more than other buildings anyway.
Why wouldn't it? If Team A has a much higher foul disparity than the other getting way more calls at home, one can infer that it is directly related to how referees ref during the home atmosphere.

KC_Connection 01-02-2018 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by TambaBerry (Post 13326752)
I swear it's like this team just doesn't give a shit
Compared to guys like Frank Mason, they don't.

Mr_Tomahawk 01-02-2018 10:20 PM
***** Official 2017-2018 Kansas Basketball Repository Thread *****
 
This is the year the streak ends.

The field is just too good this year. Sure they will beat up on eachother, but they will also beat up on us.

This team has no leader. No aggression. Really could use a T-Rob on this team.

KC_Connection 01-02-2018 10:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 13326765)
Why wouldn't it? If Team A has a much higher foul disparity than the other getting way more calls at home, one can infer that it is directly related to how referees ref during the home atmosphere.
Already explained that as it pertains to strictly fouls, but there's also more to home call advantage than just fouls.

George Liquor 01-02-2018 10:24 PM
I've seen KU lose two games in person this year.

Prison Bitch 01-02-2018 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by BDj23 (Post 13326795)
I've seen KU lose two games in person this year.
Don't go to their 2nd game then

George Liquor 01-02-2018 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 13326828)
Don't go to their 2nd game then
I don't go to a lot of games, maybe 1 or 2 a year... but I've never seen them lose in person until this year. Kinda crazy. Almost saw them lose to USC when Josh Selby made his debut.

Buehler445 01-02-2018 10:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 13326761)
I think the 12 losses speak for themselves, but there's really no way to properly do this.
To which I’d say look at how consistent those teams were those guys weren’t laying eggs all over the place. And how many consecutive years did we have 30 wins? To me that points to consistency not HFA.

Buehler445 01-02-2018 10:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 13326782)
This is the year the streak ends.

The field is just too good this year. Sure they will beat up on eachother, but they will also beat up on us.

This team has no leader. No aggression. Really could use a T-Rob on this team.
Tyshawn was as much a driver of that team as TRob. TRob is better than Azabuke, sure but Taylor could get in the lane whenever he wanted. you saw what happened when Graham started getting in the lane. And nobody was better at it than Taylor.

Outside of height, what these guys need is Releford. I miss watching that guy shut fools down.

Buehler445 01-02-2018 10:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BDj23 (Post 13326850)
I don't go to a lot of games, maybe 1 or 2 a year... but I've never seen them lose in person until this year. Kinda crazy. Almost saw them lose to USC when Josh Selby made his debut.
****ing Josh Shelby. That guy was a joke. Thanks for bringing him back up. Ass. :D

CoMoChief 01-03-2018 12:08 AM
Can't win consistently if you're going to live n die by the 3pt shot.

Reerun_KC 01-03-2018 12:52 AM
Fools gold?

BWillie 01-03-2018 04:28 AM
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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 13326986)
Can't win consistently if you're going to live n die by the 3pt shot.
You can be a good shooting team and draw fouls. Look at the Rockets.

Prison Bitch 01-03-2018 07:41 AM
Loved Bail's look last night: ugly blue checker blazer, baggy khakis. Dude just doesn't even pretend to give a f*** anymore.

Mr_Tomahawk 01-03-2018 07:46 AM
Who?

Fansy the Famous Bard 01-03-2018 08:28 AM
Good lord, Franschilla has an absolute hardon for wanting KU to lose at home. He was questioning every call that went KU's way... even clear ones..

"That's a charge" The guy was in the circle, moving, and sliding under Svi as he was laying it up.

"Refs need to allow the best team to win the game." **KU Calls a timeout** "Oh look another call that should have gone Tech's way, they should be shooting free throws for calling a timeout"

Fansy the Famous Bard 01-03-2018 08:39 AM
Oh yay! Because this needed to be on the front page of espn.com

Mom of Kansas star-in-waiting to critics: Be quiet!

Spoiler!

BigRedChief 01-03-2018 09:12 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fahrenheit (Post 13327145)
Oh yay! Because this needed to be on the front page of espn.com

Mom of Kansas star-in-waiting to critics: Be quiet!

Spoiler!
Have at least have some, any paperwork, that explains where you got the car when there is a fender bender and none of this happens. He's a grown man. You are acting like your pulling your kid off a little league team unless he get treated better, on social media? GTFO of here with that shit Mom. Just be Mom. Do they now all think the can be Leball?

BWillie 01-03-2018 12:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 13327252)
Have at least have some, any paperwork, that explains where you got the car when there is a fender bender and none of this happens. He's a grown man. You are acting like your pulling your kid off a little league team unless he get treated better, on social media? GTFO of here with that shit Mom. Just be Mom. Do they now all think the can be Leball?
The hate the NCAA get is astounding. I'm all for allowing the free market to pay players (don't think the NCAA or school should have to pay anything outside of room, board + stipend they already get) but the NCAA is just shit on. Constantly. Is it their fault the NBA has effectively made them their no cost minor league system? There has to be rules. That's how life works.

But rules are rules and you have to go through the process. KU just provided their internal investigation findings less than a couple weeks ago and the NCAA has been on a holiday break until this week.

Titty Meat 01-03-2018 12:24 PM
KU will still win the Big 12

ChiTown 01-03-2018 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 13327895)
KU will still win the Big 12
I'll take the B12 Field and give you 4:1 odds on a $50 bet. I'll give $200 if you win, and if I win, you can donate my $50 to CP or a charity of your choice.

One caveat: ku has to win outright.

Deal?

Reerun_KC 01-03-2018 01:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 13327895)
KU will still win the Big 12


Nope.

Prison Bitch 01-03-2018 01:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 13327895)
KU will still win the Big 12
It's all our fans care about

George Liquor 01-03-2018 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 13328100)
It's all our fans care about
Not me. I'd take a final four and no big xii title over a big xii title and elite 8 flop.

Fansy the Famous Bard 01-03-2018 02:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BDj23 (Post 13328111)
Not me. I'd take a final four and no big xii title over a big xii title and elite 8 flop.
Why can't we have both?

Mr. Plow 01-03-2018 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 13328100)
It's all our fans care about
Not really. But, it's an amazing streak that I'm sure a lot of people don't want to see end just yet.

KC_Connection 01-03-2018 09:07 PM
If they are too soft to win the B12 this year (and it certainly looks like they are), they aren't going to win 6 single elimination games in a row either.

BigRedChief 01-03-2018 09:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 13329279)
If they are too soft to win the B12 this year (and it certainly looks like they are), they aren't going to win 6 single elimination games in a row either.
how can anyone who has watched this team play think they can make the final 4 this year?

Now if De'Sosa and or Preston actually contribute this year, maybe things change. But, right now, Nada chance.

Titty Meat 01-03-2018 09:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 13327958)
I'll take the B12 Field and give you 4:1 odds on a $50 bet. I'll give $200 if you win, and if I win, you can donate my $50 to CP or a charity of your choice.

One caveat: ku has to win outright.

Deal?
Outright is kinda stupid. KU beat Kstate 3 times in 13' they called it a split title LMAO

BWillie 01-03-2018 09:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 13329313)
how can anyone who has watched this team play think they can make the final 4 this year?

Now if De'Sosa and or Preston actually contribute this year, maybe things change. But, right now, Nada chance.
Because much worse teams have made the the final four. Many many times. GEORGE FREAKING MASON made it for god sakes.

KC_Connection 01-03-2018 09:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 13329337)
Because much worse teams have made the the final four. Many many times. GEORGE FREAKING MASON made it for god sakes.
George Mason probably didn't have a bunch of soft chokers like Svi and Vick filling their roster, though.

ChiTown 01-03-2018 10:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 13329331)
Outright is kinda stupid. KU beat Kstate 3 times in 13' they called it a split title LMAO
So, that’s a no?

Pants 01-03-2018 11:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BDj23 (Post 13328111)
Not me. I'd take a final four and no big xii title over a big xii title and elite 8 flop.
I care waaaaaaay more about setting an unprecedented, historic record that would probably stand for decades (if not forever) than something 4 teams do every year. It's not always good teams either.

I don't understand that FF logic at all.

Mr. Plow 01-04-2018 08:01 AM
I won't write this team out of the conference title. Every year there is a point where I think "Welp, this is the year they lose it" and then they end up at the top every year. Will they win it? I don't know. But I won't say they won't until they are eliminated from it.

Buehler445 01-04-2018 08:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Plow (Post 13329805)
I won't write this team out of the conference title. Every year there is a point where I think "Welp, this is the year they lose it" and then they end up at the top every year. Will they win it? I don't know. But I won't say they won't until they are eliminated from it.
It’s harder to see though. Like when Perry was here we’d all say, “well, if Perry would quit being a pussy we might have a shot at something.” The he would!

The real problem I see is that Selfs teams always look like JV squads until the break. Well, it’s after the break.

Maybe you can look at it and say if Vick and Newman tighten down defensively- particularly rebounding AND Udoka can play more minutes and figure out how to make a free throw, maybe we’ve got something. That’s a lot to ask. At this point it looks to me like Preston or DeSousa need to work miracles.

Mr. Plow 01-04-2018 09:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 13329832)
It’s harder to see though. Like when Perry was here we’d all say, “well, if Perry would quit being a pussy we might have a shot at something.” The he would!

The real problem I see is that Selfs teams always look like JV squads until the break. Well, it’s after the break.

Maybe you can look at it and say if Vick and Newman tighten down defensively- particularly rebounding AND Udoka can play more minutes and figure out how to make a free throw, maybe we’ve got something. That’s a lot to ask. At this point it looks to me like Preston or DeSousa need to work miracles.
Rebounding is a big killer for us. Especially against Tech. Couldn't get a rebound on either side of the court. It doesn't help that Azubuike was contesting shots from out on the 3 through picks that he had no business trying to contest.

Tighten up the rebounding and I think you see a different team. We've given up 30 offensive rebounds in the past 2 games (18 against Tech). That's a lot of 2nd chance points.

Fansy the Famous Bard 01-04-2018 09:08 AM
As good as Udoke has been, he's a terrible rebounder. I can't count how many times he's waiting for someone else to go get the ball and it's right in front of him. He just doesn't have that instinct for a big guy. Every so often you'll see him fight (probably after having someone get in his ass and remind him), but then he goes back to his normal self.

With him being the only legit big, it doesn't bode well for the teams overall rebounding prospects.

Prison Bitch 01-04-2018 10:47 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pants (Post 13329589)
I care waaaaaaay more about setting an unprecedented, historic record that would probably stand for decades (if not forever) than something 4 teams do every year. It's not always good teams either.

I don't understand that FF logic at all.
I don't understand someone not understanding it.

BWillie 01-04-2018 11:51 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pants (Post 13329589)
I care waaaaaaay more about setting an unprecedented, historic record that would probably stand for decades (if not forever) than something 4 teams do every year. It's not always good teams either.

I don't understand that FF logic at all.
I totally agree with you. Sports is about doing things nobody else hasn't done. Making your own legacy. KU has a chance to do that with #14 this year.

farmerchief 01-04-2018 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by fahrenheit (Post 13329892)
As good as Udoke has been, he's a terrible rebounder. I can't count how many times he's waiting for someone else to go get the ball and it's right in front of him. He just doesn't have that instinct for a big guy. Every so often you'll see him fight (probably after having someone get in his ass and remind him), but then he goes back to his normal self.

With him being the only legit big, it doesn't bode well for the teams overall rebounding prospects.
Yep, didnt think we'd miss Landon Lucas, but boy was I wrong!
:(

Pants 01-04-2018 09:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 13330169)
I don't understand someone not understanding it.
Unsurprisingly, I am not surprised by your take.

Chiefspants 01-04-2018 10:00 PM
I would trade the streak for a National Championship in a heartbeat.

I have a feeling we'll end up settling for neither, though.

Pants 01-04-2018 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 13331701)
I would trade the streak for a National Championship in a heartbeat.

I have a feeling we'll end up settling for neither, though.
You can always get a Natty after you get the streak. Why settle when you could potentially have both?

I agree, though, it's not looking good for #14 in a row, though.

cmh6476 01-05-2018 09:28 AM
negative nancies

KC_Connection 01-06-2018 09:46 PM
KU collapsing badly in this road on the road at TCU Chiefs-style. Such a dreadfully soft team this year, so it's fairly expected.

Buehler445 01-06-2018 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 13339758)
KU collapsing badly in this road on the road at TCU Chiefs-style. Such a dreadfully soft team this year, so it's fairly expected.
At least Lightfoot is doing SOMETHING. And there is some defensive intensity tonight.

KC_Connection 01-06-2018 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 13339839)
At least Lightfoot is doing SOMETHING. And there is some defensive intensity tonight.
Maybe they should play Lightfoot more. He tries hard.

Buehler445 01-06-2018 09:57 PM
And that friends is a horseshit call.

KC_Connection 01-06-2018 10:16 PM
I know I've said this before, but Vick is not a NBA player. He's just not that good a basketball player. Folds completely against decent competition and his flaws get totally exposed against athletes that are near his level.

Buehler445 01-06-2018 10:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 13339960)
I know I've said this before, but Vick is not a NBA player. He's just not that good a basketball player. Folds completely against decent competition and his flaws get totally exposed against athletes that are near his level.
Doke is the only guy that can get NBA minutes. Maybe Graham if he keeps shooting like a madman.

And Doke can't shoot. At all. The angle they showed on his freethrows shows how out of line his stroke is.

Reerun_KC 01-06-2018 10:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 13339960)
I know I've said this before, but Vick is not a NBA player. He's just not that good a basketball player. Folds completely against decent competition and his flaws get totally exposed against athletes that are near his level.


Who cares if he’s nba player ???? We’re still playing college ball.


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