if it was a contract between him and the Cardinals, surely they can work out going down to get right without involving the players association?

A player cannot be optioned after 5 years of Major League service time.

Holland's arm is shot. It was gone his last year in Kansas City, it was obvious then.

well then they and him have to come up with some BS to go on a DL rehab assignment. We can’t allow him to pitch like he has in games so he can get back on track. This team just isn’t good enough to lose games while he gets in game shape.

Yet he lead the league in saves last year.

Not true.

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/colum...e260fbb19.html

And he broke down in August last year. Holland's that old car that you got back a running and it did okay for a while then when it finally breaks down again you are screwed.

Sucks the Cards spend the money they did on him. Granted it's going rate for a closer and lucky it's only one year.

Its only one year because Hicks is in the wings. Its more money than he is worth but the beauty is they don't absolutely need him for the whole season.

He is just filling a gap for now.

Get him in shape, use him sparingly (with Matheny yea right) and have him healthy and fresh if they make a run.

$15 million risk total for a proven bullpen arm even if on the decline was a good deal. Everyone in baseball thought it was a great deal for the Cardinals. The Cardinals are sitting in piles of money. We weren’t counting on him when they started the season. Don’t cry for us.

Hicks could be the best closer in baseball in a few months. And he will be playing for meal money. And we got 6 years of control left.

I don’t ever recall a veteran major leaguer approving a move such as that, but I could be wrong. Why would he want to go back to the AAA lifestyle when he gets his paycheck either way?

He fell apart in August right around when he cut a finger on his pitching hand which gives me some hope.

Give Holland some time to get his shit together before totally burying him. Remember how idiots were burying Pham based on his ST performance? Don't be that guy.

Weaver getting completely shit on today. Won’t make it past 3. And we sent our only long reliever down today so O’Neill could sit on the bench.

Matheny the abomination

Baseball Gods have cursed us with bad babip today.

a lot of those pitches they hit weren’t even close to being strikes. most of those hits barely made it through the infield.

if Wong was playing 2nd he would have got to at least one of those balls for the 3rd out with one run scored. In another case, Dejong was playing directly behind 2nd base. The ball is hit slowly up the middle maybe 5 feet towards 2B and he misses the ball.

He's definitely running into some bad luck, but these balls are being hit hard.

Meanwhile the Cards are hitting the ball hard right at people. Baseball is cruel sometimes.

You know it's bad when Heyturd goes off

Yup. Just one of those days.

hey :eek: ROFL

WTF are you looking at DeJong? You know that turd Edwards is throwing the heater.

I think he was looking outside but yeah you gotta protect in that situation.

Of course another k with the bat on the shoulder.

He’s in a funk. Teams are getting him out by throwing outside the zone so he got caught with that inside pitch. Good pitching by Edwards.

Serious question. Can all Wong do with a bat is pop out or hit a soft tapper back to the pitcher?

5-1 on the road trip with some crap weather so I’m not gonna bitch. The Cards need to start winning games at home. They were under .500 at Bush last year and that’s inexcusable.

3 with the Reds over the weekend should help that.

Hope so but they play worse at home and the Reds could be motivated by a new manager.

we scored 4 runs without hitting the ball out of the infield. That’s pretty rare.

Who is Brad Thompson and why is he broadcasting games? All I’ve heard is Habraosky, who is the absolute shit. Worse one of the lot. What happened to Edmonds? He was the best one they have had lately. Ankiel was good also.

He was a former relief pitcher for the Cardinals. Has a big radio show in St. Louis.

so is he any good or just a loudmouth sports guy on the radio?

Edmonds did the Cubs series. Thompson can’t be worse than Tim and Al.

I like tim mccarver :(

l had to watch the Cubs broadcast on extra innings. And the Mets. Reds too.

He's ****ing awful and has a terrible voice inflection (and a sort of stutter). How a top 3 baseball organization continues to churn out absolute pathetic broadcast talent is beyond me. Chris Duncan gets a ton of radio play too (because of daddy) and he's an ABOMINATION.

I think your letting your remembrances of him from 15 years ago color your perception.:rolleyes:

But seriously, I like him better than anyone lately other than Edmounds. Maybe every teams fans whines and trashes their local broadcast announcers. Just not enough talent to go around.:hmmm:

Edmonds is good, but isn't on often. Dan having a job is an absolute embarrassment.

He seems like he knows baseball (duh, former pitcher) but something about his voice and delivery threw me off on him. I wasn't a fan last night.

What a catch

Dipshit is really just gonna leave Lyons out here to die.

Maybe let him face 4 or 5 more batters, dumbass.

Boooooooo

Matheny is a dumbass

I just don’t understand the unwillingness to switch to someone else when the reliever clearly doesn’t have it that day.

Then Yadi bails him out.

Thankfully Yadi bails his dumbass out.

damn :cuss: l don’t have an issue with bringing in Lyons, the issue for me is how in the **** do you let someone who obviously doesn’t have it that day continue to face batters as you lead goes away?

Especially since you have Hicks ready to go. He’s been lights out.

Matheny has the 6th most managerial experience in baseball now. He’s still making the same mistakes he made as a rookie. It’s so frustrating to watch. :sulk:

1st place in the division.

the fans weren’t happy with the Matheny.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Lot of boos coming from the stands as Reds come back to tie game 3-3 in 7th on 2-run single by Scooter Gennett off Tyler Lyons, who did not retire any of the 4 batters he faced. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/STLCards?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#STLCards</a></p>&mdash; Rob Rains (@RobRains) <a href="https://twitter.com/RobRains/status/987791862319734784?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 21, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

playing the Reds in the last 6/8 games will do that for a team. :rolleyes:

Dude roll your eyes all you want and be a negative nancy. I will take the positives when they come along.
Oh and "You seem nice".

At least we are not the 4-15 Royals.

Dude, I’m the resident homer in this thread.

Yeah it’s the Redd, we should beat them, yada yada. Fact of the matter is last year we didn’t.

O’Neill gets his first start today.

Waino to the DL with right elbow inflammation. Brebbia called up instead of Flaherty? Are they not wanting the service time clock to start ticking on Flaherty?

I’d imagine Flaherty will be back for the start when needed. Off day on Monday so they may skip a start too.

I doubt there is anything the Cards could do you wouldnt bitch about.

I’m not a Dan fan either. Don’t like him as a broadcaster and scratch my head how he still has a job after his alcoholism.

Let's just play the reds 80 times a year.

We have 3 at home against the Mets next. Then we are playing the Pirates on the road. Probably going to be a rough stretch.

no second chances for anyone?

yeah, this will be a good test for the team. Mets are a good team. Pitt has been playing a lot better than anyone anticipated.

Well, he’s on his third...

I will say I am much more comfortable with Mikolas at this point than I would have guessed after watching him in ST. We will see if he can be consistent.

I liked thin drunk Dan, better than fat sober Dan.

good innings eater replacement on the staff for Lynn.

Ive only been pimping Jose Martinez fot awhile now and just said how good Edmonds was at his job. Weirdo..

Yanks, Dodgers and Cubs mediocre? This brings a smile to my face even if they end up at the top again by the end of the season.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">For all their immense hype going into the season, the Yankees have been pretty “meh” starting out. <a href="https://t.co/DVELJmXIFZ">https://t.co/DVELJmXIFZ</a></p>&mdash; FiveThirtyEight (@FiveThirtyEight) <a href="https://twitter.com/FiveThirtyEight/status/988550584574734336?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 23, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

l like tonight’s lineup the best because of Carp’s mental issue of only exceling in the leadoff position. Also because Molina is on a bit of hot streak. I trash Matheny a lot in here. Just giving him a slap on the back and good job for a change.

Matt Carpenter, 3B
Tommy Pham, CF
Jose Martinez, 1B
Marcell Ozuna, LF
Yadier Molina, C
Dexter Fowler, RF
Paul DeJong, SS
Kolten Wong, 2B
Luke Weaver, P

If you're only getting .175 out of Fowler , they might as well run Bader or O'Neill out there. Not to mention the Brew crew are playing those suck ass Royals right now so we'll need to sweep to keep pace.

Fowler is a least getting on base a bit better than his .193 average would suggest.

This is not shaping up very good.

they are not sitting Fowler anytime soon.

Matheny was late with the pull again. Weaver was cruising until he threw 11/13 straight balls. He was obviously done.

Pham is a stud

Ozuna needs to get his shit together

He is in a bad place. :shake:

In the great words of Dennis Green. “We let them off the hook.”