It's a simple grocery store choice to have nice things, buy the other brands and we can't have nice things.

Seems like they're taking the wait for Berry and Sorenson approach. Ech.

Eric Murray is garbage. Which is one more reason to dislike Sutton and company – if he's this ****ing bad, toss the rookie Watts out there and let him learn by fire. He can't be any worse than Murray's sorry ass.

Yes he can. And he is.

A caller brought that up in a postgame show, I can't remember where but they said Watts played a lot and got beat quite a bit as well.

A lot? He played 8 snaps.

I wasn't watching just quoting what I heard, they said when he was in there it was just as bad as Murray.

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...1809230kan.htm

I wasn't saying you were. I was just simply stating that he only played 8 snaps.

Exactly. Sutton is playing the best guys they have. The problem is that our "best" guys would be the worst guys on any other team.

It was, they're right.

His health issue isn't even from his Achillies tear...it's his other ankle. I mean he HAS to getting the very best medical treatment known to man and it isn't responding very quickly.

I think it's a byproduct of the devastating long-range effects of chemo...and that he's almost 30.

KC has a $14 million dollar cheerleader at this point.

And you know that how? Based on one play from Sunday?

Stop playing prevent zone and expecting things from your safeties that they just aren't capable of doing it every single one of them sucks that badly, then.

What should they do? Blitz 5-6 every down and get beat over the top in 2 minutes? They're playing this correctly.....our players like Murray and Smith just ****ing suck.

I fear this is correct as well, not sure we'll ever see EB be able to play for long periods without problems.

Exactly. People just don't get it. They don't understand that these soft zones are the equivalent of a tourniquet on a femoral bleed.

Blitzing 5-6 every down is a recipe for a quick death...

So what is Ford's status?

Would be nice to have him go against Bolles Monday night.

At this point every POS on defense should be giving their game checks to the offense. They're all worthless and don't deserve to be paid.

Dude, they just don’t get it. I’ve given up trying to get them to understand this.

Seem to recall reading this morning he's having an MRI.

So stop playing prevent zone when we're up 35-10. And when the other team hits two big plays in around 7 minutes and all of sudden it's 35-24? It's common ****ing knowledge that when you have THAT big of a lead that you sit back and let them have the underneath shit. Your defense has to actually tackle and cover though. Guys running wide open are because players like Eric Murray aren't smart enough to know where they need to be.

Just do what was working prior. Did just fine against the Steelers after they raped it in the 2nd quarter and we went back to what was working. Shit goes sideways and they get a quick score? Have faith in Mahomes. We aren't hamstrung by Smith anymore.

Then how do you explain the stat about how much better they play when up by a single score as opposed to when they're up by multiple scores? There is clearly something off in either the playcalling and/or the players' mindset or effort based on the score of the game. Clearly we are lacking in talent, but I also don't think the coaches are entirely innocent. They are not putting the players in the best position to succeed.

And you can keep doing that....but eventually the offense will find a way to counter that. There has to be a happy medium with the defense.

Earl Thomas

We have 1 turnover thus far is that right? Winston thinks that sssthickening...

Just hoping it isn’t long term. We can beat Denver without him. Jacksonville and NE would be much tougher.

The problem is teams arent starting the game airing it out. They are running the game plan they practiced all week which is more balanced.

Once the Mahomes Show puts them down a few scores...it goes out the window and they are in desperation mode. Unfortunately, since KC is down both safeties....it plays right into their defensive weakness.

Chiefs have played decent defense for the first quarter and half...then it goes to shit.

I know one thing everytime i see that 3 man rush I know bad things are gonna happen...

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But occasionally when selectively blitzing they actually do get pressure, and then CP says SEE! We should be blitzing every down!

EARL THOMAS

JUST DO IT

Hey I have a plan, you guys distract everyone at Arrowhead and I'll sneak into Veachs office and make the deal when no one is looking.

URL Thomas

http://www.signearlthomas.com
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Is this true for the first half of the game as well?

Give them the 1st rd pick. When has this franchise been this close since Len Dawson was a kid.

That's the wrong link it's

www.chiefstradeforearlthomas.com

Somehow "just keep doing what was working" got translated into "blitz 5 or 6 on every down." Ok?

Trade them a 2nd and a 4th, same we got for Peters

No make it based solely on how you perform. Just simply divide the paychecks into drives and split accordingly the math can't be that hard. :)

It was working in the 1st and 3rd quarters because the game was close and Pittsburgh was running a different offensive play set.

When the game gets out to two scores, the offensive gameplan changes for the opponent just as much as the defensive gameplan changes for the Chiefs. It's part of the ebb and flow of the game.

I would be happy with just don't play that 3 man rush 20 yards back scheme until the last play of each half.

We'll be "this close" (it's week 3) every year for the rest of Mahomes' career. And while we won't always have such a deep core of weapons, the D will naturally get better and deeper in future. There's no need to go crazy, and a 1st rounder for ET on a rental contract is batshit crazy.

Don't take it personal man, there's a lot of people here that think blitzing is a cure all.

Earl Thomas!

No ****ing way LMAO

There's a way to play conservative without relying on drop zone and rush 3. That shit has blown enough games for us during Suttons tenure and it needs to be used as something to confuse the offense like he did to Brady, not a semi normal formation like he uses it now.

You seriously want to horde a 1st round pick so we can get another Dee Ford or Eric Fisher?

This franchise used first round pics on Eric Fisher and Trezelle Jenkins. With a stud QB and weapons it’s time to win NOW before someone gets hurt and then old. This franchise has two 2nd round pics. WIN THE BOWL NOW!! Thomas is only 29 and a stud.

I'd offer the Rams 2nd and leave it at that. If that's not enough then let Thomas **** up their locker room with his antics.

NO we've proven we can't draft defensive talent.

The Patriots used the 3-3-5 for years to great effect. If you're not going to drop 8, how many are you going to drop and how are you going to account for all zones?

ALL teams in the NFL do this. The players have to execute.

That's not a great argument though. We should expect more out of our franchise and their ability to find talent in the draft.

If you draft like 30th in the 1st round get luck getting a DB who is half as good as Earl Thomas.

Then the answer is to make a change, not just give up on drafting.

Yea but guess what, you have deal in reality too. We are a legit contender need to make moves to get there.

I'm a realist. Expectations are worthless.

The reality is, there's no reason to trust that the Chiefs will be able to do enough in the draft to make this defense SB-ready. Recent history pretty much proves it.

I watched Yhomas at UT. He’s not a bad guy.

They just ****ing did that and he drafted a fat defensive end to play OLB.

So now we're going to fire Veach? Or Andy Reid?

Egg-zackly.

Kind of making a lot of assumptions there. He might not be interested in staying long term, or he might want so much money that it's not worth the hassle. 1st rounder for a possible 1 year rental seems pretty steep to me. If the contract extension can be worked out prior then that's a different story.

THIS

Well of course, I don't even think Thomas would be ok with a trade that doesn't involve him getting some love via an extension.

He's leaving Seattle because he wants a long-term deal and they won't give it to him.

He's not going anywhere without an extension. And no amount of money is too much in the NFL. If a team wants to get a deal done, they'll find a way to get it done. Contracts are completely malleable and so is the cap.

You'd probably have the deal ready when the trade happened.

Give him a 4/5 year deal. DO IT!!!

Dude has been practically begging to go to Dallas for almost a year now. Just wouldn't get your hopes up unless it comes out that he is being allowed to work on an extension with us.

This situation almost reminds me of the 2017 Draft. We were all saying that it made too much sense for the Chiefs to trade up. They had the ammo, the need, the player available to change everything (IMO)...

If you give up a 2nd round pick and extend him, so what? I mean, we gave Marcus Peters away and got an extra 2nd back. Shouldn’t we make the most out of that pick? It’s not like you’re mortgaging the future. You’ve got some surplus built in there for the draft.

Because the truth is, it’s very unlikely that Chiefs, or any NFL team for that matter, will ever have the offensive talent and coaching combo that they currently possess again. Andy won’t coach forever. We’ll lose some of our WRs or Kelce, Hunt, whatever...

This window is WIDE ****ing open. Yeah, I want it to always be open, but I don’t think it changes the future by trading a 2nd round pick. Thomas might be a great player here for 5 years.

I’d be all over this if I’m Veach. The AFC is ripe for the picking.

I can't get past security to sneak into Veachs office, I need some help brah!

Slight buyer beware in regards to Earl Thomas- obviously he becomes a free agent this summer and he is 29 years old. In my opinion I don't know if I would want to pay Earl Thomas what he is going to command. He wants a big contract and we already have Eric Berry's contract that we are on the hook for- for at least a couple more seasons.

Earl Thomas still looks like a great player but it is hard to argue that he is on the back 9 of his career. Seattle obviously would be looking for compensation greater than they would receive if he walked away in free agency. I don't know what that looks like... a 2nd round pick or a 3rd round pick?

I'm torn- I feel like I want to improve the defense and take a stab at putting this team in real contention to compete for a Superbowl but you don't want to hamper your chances of retaining other talent. I'm sure there is a happy medium to try and accomplish both but this would be a tricky transaction.

Earl Thomas

True that we shouldn't get our hopes up.

But also true that when the Thomas-to-Dallas stuff started, Dallas wasn't the dumpster fire they are now with zero chance to get Thomas a ring.

I’m just saying, if they play the long game in every situation, you’ll end up with a 1st ballot HOF QB who had amazing stats for 15 years and no rings to show for it...

I don’t think a trade for Earl changes the future outlook enough to say that it’s really going to hurt their next 5-10 years. At all.

Yup. I'd give them a 2nd this year and 3rd next. Lock him up, dump Berry after this year which you only say 1.5 million but still.

A lot of those contracts are on the defensive side of the ball and you're being quite generous calling them "other talent". Everyone on defense is expendable, even Chris Jones, if he's asking for a Brinks truck.

Maybe he doesn't actually care about rings.

The cap is a myth. If you want a player.....you can make it work.

I’d offer them a 2nd this year and 3rd next year.

Exactly.

That's certainly a possibility.

So we’ve gone from “wait till next draft for our QB” to “wait until the next draft to fix our defense”.