The more you cry about Clark the more I am convinced it is better than what you make it out to be.

Lol of course Pete is being Franks white knight hero. Can't wait to see the Chiefs homers in the local media write up a glowing article about him and then the Clark ballwashers will eat it up and regurgitate it all over this thread. Like how last week the Ravens to the side of the field opposite of him to "take him out of the game", but none of you guys could reply to my post that showed they ran to that side a huge majority of the time. Come one come all, let us witness the Clark ball washers spin it like a ****ing DJ.

Ogbah isn’t getting the attention he deserves. Can’t believe Detroit put a WR in to block him on that 3 yard run loss

It’s a thread devoted to Frank Clark. Frank Clark will likely be discussed. Frank has not delivered the impact to warrant much positive discussions.

Well to be fair you are a literal ****ing reerun, but keep doing your thing.

And you keep crying while I celebrate 4-0.....:rolleyes:

Yeah you can't defend his play so you make it about me. Is our pass rush not worse? Is our run defense not worse?

The lions came in the game rushing for 98 yards a game. We allowed them to run for 186 yards. Defend that.

I thought Arrowhead pride did a great job of ripping people like you last week. I am not making it about you. You are just a cry baby which everyone knows. And most would do better to take the opposite side of any take you offer.

Yeah it's a shitty thread that's going to get bumped multiple times.

The majority of people here can't breakdown defense to save their lives and have no patience on top of it. People want to see splash plays, and that's it.

Clark got a critical sack on 3rd down last week and the narrative was that he "lucked into it".

We're 4-0 and had 4 sacks. People are dumb.

Chiefs medical staff should be working OT to figure out a way to clone Jones. :thumb:

Lmao, when a guy is making $100 mil and cost a 1st and 2nd rounder, then his play should be so good that the AP guys shouldn't have to dig deep to find reasons that he had a solid game. You can't say that they were trying to take him out of the game by running to his opposite side when they've ran to that side 61% of the time. That's just the side there best run blockers happen to be on. Then they moved Clark to the other side and guess what? They kept running that same way.

Pretty sure this is what you guys wanted Clark to do. He beat a double here.

Not his fault the secondary sucked

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Oh so you can't defend it.


And Arrowhead pride or whoever posting still images doesn't prove anything.

Like I said, even if you guys are right and Clark is getting triple and quadruple teamed each play, then we would have been better served using that 100 million and 1st and 2nd round picks elsewhere. It's not a hard concept.

And that's not the only time Clark had a good rush and Stafford completed a pass.

He seems nice.:)

Stafford was playing really ****ing well today. There were several throws only a few guys in the league would make. He still has that big arm and he was very aggressive.

Stafford is impressive.

Ogbah is taking advantage of a single blocker bc Frank is drawing all the attention. Perfect example here.

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Watching Mack play in the late game and Clark isn't even in the same galaxy right now.

Pretty sure you were the guy that said Clark lucked into his sack last week, so couldn't care less what you have to say.

Especially since he was supposed to be gimpy! Detroit is for real this year

I honestly think that's the best I've ever seen Stafford play.

Week 4 of running away from Clark. Freeing up other guys, solid.

They were much better than I expected. First I've seen of them this year. Would be nice for Lions' fans to finally see them in a playoff game.

That's cause Mack is never double teamed. Ever.

Frank was in the backfield today getting pressure but fanboys demand a sack every game.

He did a good job IMO

Agreed. Stafford played his ass off for being hurt

I watched DT set the single-game sack record in a game we lost. Don't get me wrong, DT was awesome and is my all-time favorite Chief.

The point is football is the ultimate team sport. I couldn't care less about individual stats right now. If Clark is drawing double-teams and that allows Jones & Co. to beat 1-1 blocks then I don't give a **** how many sacks Clark gets or doesn't.

It's more than obvious when he is on the field the offenses are making an effort to either double team him or run away from him. When the aren't and sometimes even when they are he is being effective.

If Clark isn't on the field do you think Jones is getting blocked 1-1??? Most likely not.

By the end of this season Clark will have filled his roll nicely. Individual stats are something right now I just don't give a **** about. In this game it is possible to have an effect on the game without recording "meaningful" stats.

He was going crazy on our backfield.

Today was a bit of a regression for our secondary. Guys were running wide open and even when they weren't they were making catches. If I had to describe our defense right now I would say they are inconsistent.

They make some great plays. They just have a hard time making them consistently.

So you think there are no plays in which Jones gets double teamed and it's up to Clark to make the play?

Speaking of fanboy^^

And you think Clark is just not making plays which you have been proven time and time again to be wrong about.

But you go on hating. That's what you do.

When Clark and Jones were on the field at the same time, the Lions tried to double both of them most of the time on passing plays.

Rams D getting lit up by Jamis Winston...just FYI

Why isn't this thread in the romper room where it belongs?? Let the idiot whiners take to the romper room with their discontent while the rest of us celebrate 4-0.

Clark can’t play all 4 positions dude. Not Clark’s fault that the franchise gave up so much to get him and he’s one of the only guys up front doing his job in run defense.

You need to point the finger where it belongs...right at Brett Veach.

He looks weak. Get pushed around too much and misses tackles I’d think he’d make.

We were 4 and 0 last year too. Should the people who complained about the defense have shut up then too? Were their complaints not valid?

Lmao you ****ing guys defending Clark are clowns. A bunch of ****ing idiot homers. Well by God we won and that's all that matters. Pete's such a reerun he bitched about the D after a preseason game.

These clowns were so sure that Spagnoulo would make this a top 10 D and that Frank Clark was some big huge need and now they can't admit they were wrong about both. Now they only care about is winning and that Frank shows up to games.

Stop focusing on sacks, tackles, and hurries as a metric for DEs!

Because **** you and your little bitch ass. That's why.

@TheRealFrankC_: No disrespect to a “tackle” but that shit doesn’t feed my family, “sacks”do. New team, new system, doubles, chips, etc. IRRELEVANT. Save the excuses, success in the league isn’t driven with excuses. [emoji3531][emoji469]
-Black Elvis

He looked hurt last week like he's hiding an injury or something. He looked better today.

Which tackle did he miss besides the one where Stafford started to scramble?

Nnadi missed him right after that as well, is he also weak?

Or maybe people are overreacting as usual?

He's not doing his job in the run game. He's not doing anything well. Just keep doubling down every week, eventually he's going to have an ok game and you can finally feel like your shit take was validated.

Frank is pretty hard on himself

Y’all got any more of them hidden sacks

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We're not worse at run defense.

We're actually making teams punt on occasion.

The 10-20+ yard runs are still there, but when they're not, they're basically 1-2 yard stuffs instead of the 8-9 yard gashes on first down that Sutton's D from last year would allow.

Is that great or helpful? Well, actually, kinda. It's an improvement. Don't go by YPC. Go by the number of punts forced.

I’m sorry, you’re right.

He looked strong setting the edge.

I'm pretty sure every lineman blocked Frank on every play. Sometimes I saw him blocked by everyone but the QB and a WR. He was being blocked by 9 people sometimes.

How's he not doing his job in the run game?

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Frank Clark: Judges self worth based on sacks

CP: Does he even watch the games?!

Own it, Black Elvis

Then fix it

Clark's spin move is pretty lame imo.

Good. Get angry.

We need another stud edge rusher to take the pressure off Clark, and a shutdown #1 corner.

No biggie - should be easy to fill.

Lol I'm pretty sure his family his fed regardless of getting sacks or not. I think that may be the issue.

He’s mad he missed that tackle for a sack. Don’t blame him

Frank Clark cost; 1st, 2nd, swap 3rd with contract of $105m/63m guaranteed
Khalil Mack cost; 1st,1st,3rd,6th (Bears gets 2nd,5th back) contract $141m/90m guaranteed

Offenses don't worry about Frank Clark. They don't change their blocking scheme for Clark.

Mack is dominant, he makes QB's change their approach.

Clark isn't even a bigger threat than Justin Houston right now

Pretty much a disaster so far since Clark can't even hold Mack's jock.


It's still early though.


Maybe the Chiefs should start running stunts and twists with Jones/Clark ala Smith/Thomas.

So far we're forcing 3.7 punts per game. Last year we forced 3.4 punts per game. That's not that much of an improvement

He sets the edge and sticks to his assignments. You haters

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Yea it’s pathetic. I was watching him a lot today, even while he stood on the sidelines half the defensive plays, and that spin move is a joke. By the time he spins around the play is over

He is getting doubled and tripled. A LOT. I don't know if we need a stud edge rusher. But you'd have to think SOMEONE on our DL would take advantage of that. Problem is, Okafor and Ogbah just aren't consistently good pass rushers.

He's seems SLOW and WEAK to me. No mean streak to him, either. Shit, Tamba was still setting the edge pretty well his last year!

Too much KC Barbecue...

Pressing???

I don't think anyone is saying Clark is tearing it up. I just think most are saying it isn't as bad as some make it out to be.

Lol no he's not. Just because it's literally the only thing you can say anymore doesn't make it true. He might get doubled a couple times a game, but he damn sure never gets triple teamed. He was brought in to be a stud edge rusher, not a ****ing Tyson Jackson clone.

Yup. If he made that tackle for the sack today folks wouldn’t be on here bitching. That’s the way it goes though

It goes deeper than 1 play.

He’s probably just struggling to pick up the new schemes.

I choose to put a positive spin on this. This D will get better.

Actually, they probably would be. He wasn't very good for large stretches of this game.

Too many of the people who either rightly or wrongly have been cornered into defending Clark (even if their opinion is more nuanced than given credit for) assume critics are pissed at Clark because the sacks aren't happening.

It's not that. It's that the guy is invisible. He doesn't get his name called nearly often enough. For a QB pressure here, or for closing a gap before the runner can hit it, or for stretching a play out and allowing others to shut the motion down, or for correctly diagnosing something in the blocking, or for making a hustle play and playing to the end of the whistle, or for getting a QB pressure... batting down a pass... and yes, maybe sacking the QB.

He HAS done all that stuff at some point during the course of 4 games. Just... when you're paid what he is and when your team burns a 1st round pick on you, the expectation is that you do that stuff more often than what Frank Clark is doing.

Again... let me say this slowly for some of the reeruns in the back of the room:

CRITICS OF CLARK AREN'T SAYING IT'S ALL ABOUT GETTING SACKS. That's just the easy strawman that's been constructed so that those people are easier to deal with.

Frank Clark should be playing better than he currently is. He can still do it. We all hope he does. If he doesn't, that's a very very bad thing for this defense.

Until someone actually reviews all of the film on him and knows the defensive calls for each of those plays, it’s very difficult to say how well he’s really playing.

It’s not like a wide receiver that can easily be judged on receptions, yards, and TDs. DL is much harder to judge.

For instance, has anyone reviewed the sacks that other guys have gotten to see if Clark had any role in creating that sack?

I clearly haven’t done these things either. I’m reserving judgment until probably Week 8 or so. As teams start adjusting, we’ll know more about him.

Someone on here even said that teams don’t gameplan for him. No one has any way of knowing that. Comments like that are so dumb.

If we are going with the Mack comparison, it's not too early to make judgments with Clark. Mack was an absolute beast on Day 1 after being traded to Chicago.

IN for the ongoing debate.

ROFL

What evidence do we have they'll get better? The secondary is shit, the run defense is shit, the entire unit is full of complete trash.

Hyperbole much?

I mean I know that you and that other douche Squirreltits love to bitch for bitching's sake, but complete trash? Put the glass pipe down.

I guess we could always go back to the Cassel years where we had a defense that wasn't "complete trash", right?

Or maybe Herm? He was very defensive-minded!