It seems this happens when he goes against much better d-lines, and it almost appears he is actually more concerned about getting to his block first before making sure the ball is getting snapped accurately. Just my theory. :shrug:

I certainly wouldn't advocate letting him go somewhere. But I'll stand by my contention that an all-pro center won't make the quarterback pull his eyes off the routes on critical overtime Super Bowl plays because he can't get the snap off the ground. At some point you have to either fix the problem or move him to guard.

Bad snaps are a really bad thing.

Michigan center was doing the same thing against Alabama’s beast of a line.


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Why? Because he's too good? Are you honestly saying you'd pay Creed if he was a middle of the pack Center instead of a top 5 one?

Right. If he was an average center getting average money I'd rather pay for that. You don't pay for a Ferrari to have it sit in the garage all the time. We don't benefit from having an elite center based on the system we run and the amount we pass. You are getting less utility per dollar than other teams would. There is no reason for us to ever, ever pay an elite center elite center money. Now Philadelphia? Yeah, they should absolutely pay an elite center and yearn to do so.

If he doesn't roll the snap back to Mahomes, we might of won the game at the end of the 4th. Rice breaks open in the middle of the field

I disagree but I almost always disagree with you so this isn't foreign territory.

Good Lord is right. The kid is a Pro Bowler who should have been All Pro and he isn't even 25 yet. I'll excuse him if he rolls a couple of balls to Pat once in awhile if he helps keep Pat's jersey clean.

A) Letting Creed go would be dumb.

B) Creed needs to fix his shit.

Two things can be true!

lol you DO pay for a Ferrari to sit in the garage all the time.

You take it out often. You just dont put alot of miles on it. The point remains.

This is dumb. Patrick played Shortstop.

It all comes down to when he's a FA, do you pay a center $15+mil a year in this offense?

You do not. - Peter Brand, Moneyball

Does Pete need to be here?

Yes.

Nope

Thank goodness the low snaps did not cost the game. You never know how it will go when you put the ball in harm’s way like that. Mahomes did a hell of a job to avoid turnovers on those plays.

I'm torn about what they do with Creed. I love Creed and want him to stay. But it just hasn't been the M.O. for the Chiefs in the Reid era. Hudson was an all pro center. He walked when the Faiders made him the highest paid center in the NFL. But the Chiefs drafted Morse and he stepped right in and played well. He has a concussion history but the Bills still made him the highest paid center in the NFL. The Chiefs then signed a journeyman center to replace him. We won a Superbowl and lost one. After the loss, the Chiefs rebuilt the offensive line, including drafting Creed in the second round. Creed has had a great career and will no doubt command the highest salary in the NFL in his next contract. I don't think that the Chiefs will have flexibility to pay it, and based on their history, they would be justified in letting him walk. As much as I and others would hate to see it.

I’m no expert on team building but we may just do that given the fact that Thuney and Kelce are likely about to age out. We don’t pay RBs big money and we don’t have any WRs worth big money.

The only people on our offense with large contracts here in two, three years may just be Mahomes and Jawaan Taylor. If so, maybe we decide it’s a good idea to keep Humphrey.

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Not to fear, Eric Eager has us taking two centers.

Edit: I guess he thinks we're going to move Creed to guard due to his snapping issues.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Creed and Trey are both on the last year of their rookie deals. One of them will get a second contract. Creed is the better player, but is a terrible snapper. He is a long-term guard. Which means that they need a center.</p>&mdash; Eric Eager ���� (@ericeager_) <a href="https://twitter.com/ericeager_/status/1759071380845248992?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 18, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He also suggests that Creed could move to guard since he struggles with his snaps so much. I wonder if this may be similar to butker and his struggles with XPs last year. He worked through it and was perfect this year.

Look MFer, he rolled the ****ing snap to me.

I am not a huge baseball fan outside of the Royals, and Ohtani (can't help it, he smiles all the time, throws 100, and hits 475 foot dingers) but I watch a lot of Jomboy clips.

What kind of bullshit mock is that? JFC AND HE GAVE IT A GRADE ROFL

Clueless hack

They were terrible in the Super Bowl last year. No one remembers it because Mahomes is God and didn't let it become a problem.

BUT CREED IS GOOD, PAY HIM TOP DOLLAR, HOW IS THIS EVEN A DEBATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lol


For real though, it does suck letting good players walk, but it's realistic due to the salary cap.... something facebook fans don't seem to have a clue about.


OMG CHIEFS R SO DUMB< PAY CHRIS JONES AND SNEED NOW! CHEAP CLARK HUNT!!!!!! SO CHEAP AND DUMB.

But it is realistic to talk about cutting a Pro Bowl center to save $1.5 million on the cap?

You're allowed to pay guys and not kill the salary cap.

It's just a matter of paying the right guys. The debate here is whether Creed is the right guy.

I'd entertain a trade for sure. Maybe some team is hungry for a young solid center with superbowl experience and think they can fix his snap problems.
If nothing happens, you get him for 1 more year on the cheap, then you have to let him walk. But in no way would I say to myself, "damn we HAVE to pay Creed the money he may generate on the open market". And Creed is dumb if he doesn't chase the money at his age... this is his time to get it.

Luckily we have Burt veach who does the right things.

According to that mock we're also going to trade Trey Smith for a 4th and 5th rounder.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> HC Andy Reid on Creed Humphrey/low snaps: &quot;He&#39;s a diligent player. He&#39;s a relentless worker. We&#39;ll get all of that taken care of.&quot; <a href="https://t.co/wmJhtTrgwx">pic.twitter.com/wmJhtTrgwx</a></p>&mdash; Charles Goldman (@goldmctNFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/goldmctNFL/status/1762524686980628921?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 27, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Reid is as a good at saying nothing as Belichick, hes just nicer about it. He said similar stuff about Toney and they benched his ass. With that said I don't think the snapping issue is a big deal.

Watch this video where they show Creed destroying SF’s Star linebacker.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=iGMBnmCm...AF3vzLD5hYGurE

That doesn't make ANY sense at all.

HOW DARE YOU QUESTION ERIC EAGER. He is smarter than all of us combined.

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Pretty good chance they keep Creed considering there will be new guards in 2025.

Just work on getting those shotgun snaps over the bellybutton, Creed. That's your offseason homework.

Curious about that one some. Trey might not be as expensive as we think.

Has he ever said anything as to why he rolls the ball back to Mahomes from time to time? Even HOF centers misfire from time to time but rolling the ball back there? I cant remember any center ever doing that as often as it occurs these days.

Rumor has it, his massive hog gets in the way. Mahomes is going to need to pay for a reduction surgery to get the snaps up to proper level

He needs to take a cut to his girth for the team.:LOL:

If he is going to misfire, rolling it back is preferable to snapping the ball over the QBs head like what happened to Manning in the beginning of SB48. I laughed then, though.

PFF Center Rankings: Top 32 ahead of the 2024 NFL season

1. CREED HUMPHREY, KANSAS CITY CHIEFS
Humphrey surpassed Jason Kelce as the game’s best center in our 2023 rankings, and with Kelce now retired, Humphrey is the clear best center in the NFL. He allowed just 16 pressures in 2023, and his 78.2 overall grade ranked seventh at the position.

And bringing up the next-to-bottom of the field....

31. LUKE WATTENBERG, DENVER BRONCOS
Wattenberg has yet to make an impact for the Broncos since he was drafted in the fifth round in 2022. When he’s been on the field, Wattenberg has struggled, earning a 45.8 grade in 2022 and 2023. Despite that, Denver has him pegged as its starting center heading in 2024. The team will hope for big improvements.


https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-center-...n=june_13_2024

Yep, the Chiefs are re-signing Creed

But Eric Eager said the Chiefs were going to draft not one, but two centers.

Apparently not good enough to be good at picking up 3rd and 1 and 4th and 1s with smashmouth football.

the only knock on him that i have is he must have short arms as he can't keep his helmet behind the line of scrimmage ;)

They did draft one, but he’s got a very high ceiling. Hate to say it but I think Creed is a goner next year, he’s going to get a ridiculous offer from someone and I don’t think the Chiefs will even be close. I don’t see how you drop $15 million a year on a center in this offense, which is the bare minimum Creed is going to get.

They let Rodney Hudson walk, they let Mitch Morse walk, and we won our first Super Bowl with a street free agent at center. Unless they’re planning on moving on from Thuney, but with such a young LT that seems unlikely. We’ll see, but just going by the trends they’ve already set it seems like he’s probably gone.

The only additional thing I ask from Creed this season is for all of his shotgun snaps to hit Mahomes between the 1 and the 5.

Watching clips of him in his first training camp was unreal. His lateral quickness in 1-on-1 drills was off the charts.

I get the sentiment, and Reid's history disagrees with me, but I feel like Creed and Bolton stay, and Trey moves on elsewhere with Nourzad taking Trey's spot.

I also think there's a much higher than not probability that Thuney is gone next year though. We'll save 16M and if my memory serves me correct, we're already gonna be up against the cap next year.

Thuney is 100% gone after this year. And we'll need to get some extensions done sooner rather than later.

I totally hope that’s the case, just going by past history and what I expect Creed’s market to be at a position this organization hasn’t shown a lot of value in from a monetary standpoint. They know they can plug and play guys, but Creed is definitely a rare breed, even better than Morse and Hudson were. It will be interesting to see how they handle things.

ya the low snaps were noticeable. But he's still the best center in the league and I would have no issue if they gave him a contract and I'll trust Veach if they don't.

Paying a center elite money is like paying top dollar for this offense to get a RB who isn't a threat to pass catch. It would be a terrible use of funds.

We don't run the push tush.
We don't QB sneak.
We pass more than almost any other team in the league.

I can't think of many things dumber than paying Creed Humphrey to be the highest paid center in the league.

Let his ass walk.

:shake: you are lucky we live in a free country or else comments like that will get you thrown in the gulag.

According to your logic, you’d also throw Andy out too. History and current moves show the Chiefs are positioning themselves to move on.

"Current moves"?

Please don't tell me you're clueless enough to believe the Chiefs drafting a versatile IOL on day 3 means anything about Humphrey LMAO

Yes, Andy let Morse and Hudson walk. He didn't draft Hudson, and Morse had concussion issues though, so that doesn't necessarily mean he's going to let the best C in the NFL do the same. Do you honestly believe that Jason Kelce wouldn't have still been an Eagle for life if Andy never left Philly?

I don't think it's a guarantee by any means, but I think it's more likely than not that Humphrey will get a 2nd contract.

This mindset probably changed after the SB debacle vs the Bucs. Creed is the best C in football and his elite pass protection is incredibly valuable.

Nourzad is best fit as a G. I think the insane price hike of G’s getting $20+ million made the Trey Smith decision an easy one. Nourzad will most likely take over in 2025 for Trey.

C is a cheap position. You can give Creed a LTD and make it backloaded to where you’re paying roughly $12-13 million most of the contract.

So the question is: is Creed worth paying an inflated MVS contract in terms of cap hits?

Easy answer

Evidence the Chiefs are giving themselves the option to move on is clear. 100% of the time he’s been given the option to sign a center long term in KC, Andy has declined.

I don’t want you to spoil another thread with your need to be right all the time.

They literally replaced Allegretti. That's all they did.

But tapout acknowledged.

Possibly Thuney

It’s not 2nd contracts that are bad. It’s the third ones more often than not. KC is more likely to resign Creed than they are Trey.

Maybe in 2024 that’s the role. Nourzad will most likely start at a center or guard spot in 2025. Which is what I said all along - the Chiefs are positioning themselves to replace Humphrey if needed. Crazy contract demands, injuries, cap flexibility are all factors in play. Calling someone clueless for thinking this is peak stralor.

You sure are moving goalposts just a tad. There was much more certainty than this in your first post.

And I know your reading comprehension is shit, but this is why I said you're clueless:

Fire up thread-wrecking machine 26 folks.

All three or four posts of mine in this thread mention the Chiefs are positioning themselves, giving themselves options, etc. Hardly declarative comments. The only certainty we have here is that Reid hasn’t resigned a center during his time in KC even though the centers have been elite at that time. The chiefs also drafted two interior prospects - one of whom played very well at center last year. I believe these pieces of evidence show the Chiefs are preparing themselves to move on. Could Humphrey remain a Chief? Of course - assuming the contract fits and they don’t have a viable, cheaper replacement.

Does drafting two interior lineman have an impact on future decisions? Absolutely. Veach isnt throwing darts with a blindfold on here.

They're giving themselves options, but Veach has shown he's not afraid to pay for top quality starting interior linemen. If Nourzad/Hanson are good starting quality linemen, then sure. Otherwise, don't be surprised if Humphrey gets a new deal.

It's pretty simple.

The Chiefs aren't losing both Smoth and Humphrey.

The G market is out of ****ing control. The C market is very reasonable.

Creed is a better C than Smith is a G.

Do the math.

I want Creed to protect Mahomes the rest of his career.

If they both end up as starting quality linemen then one will replace Thuney and the other will most likely be Smith. I don’t think Smith will get a market setting deal, but I would be curious if he gets more than Creed.

Very logical take, hopefully they are looking at it like this as well.

Does anyone else think of Creed and Tre when this comes on?

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While the history of the Chiefs does suggest that they can replace venters at ease, I think the team construction says otherwise. Putting a giant ? at the center of the line is asking for it. Especially when you already have projects at LT. I think we have two future starting guards on this team. They have a year to season before they absolutely need to be ready to go. Look, after Thuney is gone the only person they are paying anything to is Taylor. You can easily afford Creed. And frankly he was injured all year and still was decent. I think he is a fixture in KC. No need to replace Creed. No need to over spend to keep Smith, but I will miss his nasty streak.

Yes

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Don't care for the low snaps these last 2 yrs but I do love that he has kept Mahomes from being "kissed" by the NT since being drafted by the Chiefs. But business is business and like I have said, it is all on paper now and just depends IF Nourzad can play at the NFL level or not. Remains to be seen.:hmmm:

PFF putting him number one and completely ignoring those shotgun snaps is kind of hilarious though. Like, that doesn't factor in? They 100% have to be fixed. If that guy isn't doing 500 shotgun snaps a day while people hit his face with pillows he's wasting the offseason.