Interesting, someone here had the same takeaways the other day, saying there's really no pre-snap movement on offense, no exotic blitzes or anything.

Makes sense given their cupcake schedule and lack of quality wins.

Pay attention folks. This is how you do passive aggressive...LMAO

Ah. I hadn’t read the thread.

I think the Bengals have a fighting chance in this one. The coaching advantage has been reduced some due to the Bengals non-strategizing and the talent gap isn’t as wide as people think it is.

At the end of the day, though, the Bengals will be hamstring by that offensive line. I think we win this game 2 times out of 3.

I bet the Bengals are tough as hell in a couple seasons.

Patch up that OL, give Burrow more experience, and get an actual defensive coordinator who knows what he’s doing. That could be a Super Bowl caliber squad.

Haha, I really didn't mean it that way, but was raised by pros at passive aggression, so it probably leaks out sometimes.

It might not have even been in this thread, but I'll read something like that here and you kind of have to take it with a grain of salt... good info and contribution, but of course just what one guy sees...... so, to see it elsewhere validates it some.

ez DUB it's the bengals

Getting a little off topic here guys. Try to stay on diarrhea spaghetti & hamburger helper please.

Hamburger Helper runs a very basic offense... throw it in a pan, simmer, boom dinner. No trickery or pre-dinner motion.

Skyline chili has a bit more to its offense, but runs a very basic defense. No floaters or straining, just straight WYSIWYG diarrhea.

Most other foods can beat these very basic schemes, resulting in a far more pleasurable experience on both sides of the dinner.

New Bengals fans narrative: the Chiefs OL hasn’t faced a top pass rush all season

I would like to point out that we just played Pittsburgh, who is 4th in sacks

Bengals fans remind me of rams fans back in the day. I the main bengals backers bars were decent. But even in their best years the scene was always quiet and half the fans you talk to can’t name anyone on their OL or didn’t mind missing plenty of games. I sympathize with dealing with losers. But having been close to many browns and chiefs fans at their absolute worst they just don’t have nearly the same passion. My experience at least. But great baseball town

They’re really pushing this bengals narrative. I respect the hell out of burrow. Might be the most promising young qb outside of mahomes. But it’s not mahomes vs burrow. Burrow has to do this behind his OL against our D. Mahomes has a big advantage there. And Cincy certainly is in no position to talk strength of schedule when their signature wins are against the Steelers, raiders (a week after Henry ruggs), and the average broncos. All teams we’ve throttled. And a ravens team on their 3rd string qb

And aren't the Browns considered one? And that was week 1 with a brand new offensive line.

When are they thinking the Chiefs will face one? :shrug:

Yeah, I hear the Cowboys D is pretty good...

ESPN so wants someone to supplant Mahomes. Herbert, Dak, Mac, Burrow. Made up TV drama.

KC = small market/flyover country

Devil's advocate...what's the Chiefs signature win?

We got the Packers minus Rodgers, and the Cowboys minus their best receivers.

I'd say the Chargers is our best win, but honestly I think the Chargers looked like the better team most of that game. Granted we did win that game with a big defensive player missing at every level of the defense.

I'd say the steelers game. They were fighting for their playoff lives and we beat them like a red headded stepchild in all phases.

Agree, that and the fact that 99% of ESPN talking heads are ex Pat's Colts or Steelers that hate the Chiefs. **** them all, we have Patrick.

Oh, 100% on that vibe. There's always a bit of a double standard around here when it comes to discounting an opponent's schedule versus the Chiefs'.

Ever since Rodgers was ruled out, my thought has been we won't REALLY know if they're back until the playoffs... and that's just the nature of NFL schedules.

BUT, we obviously know what this team is capable of now and in the playoffs. We've talked a lot about cleaning up turnovers and the defense needing to get healthy and have a real DE and be less than "historically bad" (if they ever were this season), and whatever Mahomes' struggles were needed to go away.

And all of that existed at one point or another against the shit teams of the league.... and it's mostly gone away, granted against mostly the shit teams in the league. I would have felt better with a 'signature' win over the Bills or Titans (or for those games to be played now), but they were instead dominated and so here we are...

So, do we KNOW they can beat a Super Bowl caliber team? I would say no, not 100%. Except.... who the hell is a SB caliber team right now?

And unlike the Bengals and pretty much every team, we've been there and have done it, and that experience is huge.

So, I think we're riding on past results more so right now than beating up shit teams like the Steelers, Raiders, etc. Much like the Bills fans screaming point differential! last season, it's nice to see, but isn't indicative of SB results.

Yet, this core of players has proven far more over the course of 3 years than any other team in the league, and it's not really even close.

I've seen that a few times now. I put my stat nerd hat on just now and headed over to Pro Football Reference.

Looking at (pressure) and [hurry] rates there, here are the teams the Chiefs have faced:

(2) [1] Buffalo
(4) [10] Dallas
(8) [6] Chargers x2
(10) [5] Broncos
(12) [16]Steelers
(13) [18]Raiders x2
(15) [23]Ravens
(17) [8] Eagles
(18) [24]Browns
(19) [12]Packers
(20) [15]Titans
(21) [22]WFT
(30) [28]NY Giants

(14)[14] Bengals

So looking at those rates (which really tell you more about the effectiveness of a pass rush than pure sack totals, IMO), the Bengals have a VERY slightly above-average team when it comes to pressuring and hurrying the quarterback.

The Chiefs, by the way, rank (7) and [2].

If you aggregate the ranks of the Chiefs opponents, the totals come out to facing an average pressure rate of 14th and an average hurry rate of 14.133rd. So, basically, the Bengals are actually an EXACT approximation of the type of pass rush the Chiefs have faced overall this year.

Unless Trey Hendrickson just absolutely goes off against the Chiefs and is completely unblockable (which would be the first time he really has done that this season), I don't expect the Bengals pass rush to CONSISTENTLY cause problems for KC.

I’d say the chargers. They brought their best when the stakes were super high. Cowboys a close second. Even without their top receivers they are a beast on both sides of the ball and we flat out throttled them. But the bigger point is that we’re battle tested. Much of the worst of our schedule is on the same level as Cincys signature wins. Our signature losses were to top playoff contenders. We’ve played one hell of a schedule even with a few games with a few lucky breaks.

It's also worth pointing out the Cowboys started that game with CeeDee Lamb and did squat in the first half with him. His concussion came at the end of the half.

Good stuff here.

I have a similar opinion about Hendrickson that I posted early in this thread.

He rarely gets shut down, but he also very rarely takes over games. He’s a super consistent really good player. I expect him to have a sack, 2 Hits, and maybe 3-4 pressures this week. That’s a good stat line for sure, but that won’t wreck the game for us.

I don’t think I’ve thought about hamburger helper in twenty years since last eating it growing up. I’ve seen them cook their gross chili spaghetti on cooking shows and never once has it looked good.

Not in this case. You could argue that neither team has a signature win. But there’s a clear difference in strength of schedule. The chiefs have played 4 top 10 teams. Bengals 1. Meanwhile the bengals have played the three worst teams and 4 in the bottom 10 (jags, jets, lions, bears). The chiefs only 1. Somehow the bengals going 2-2 in those games. The timing of the ravens and raiders games were practically layups. So we’re talking about one team that’s consistently played playoff contenders vs a team that’s played half of their schedule against bad teams. I don’t think there’s any argument the chiefs have had a tough schedule. And easy to make the argument the bengals schedule has not been.

That doesn’t mean either team has any advantage. But on paper we are way more proven even keeping prior seasons aside.

I would agree. The problem is you have to ask the bengals to execute it. And gotta hope burrow doesn’t get killed first behind that ol.

Speaking of signature wins. Most of the AFC playoff contenders signature wins were against us, when we were playing like absolute elephant diarrhea.

That would have been me that made that claim a few days ago, after watching the clipped down versions of their games....

Very vanilla both on offense and defense.... they obviously motion some, and they blitz some, but not a lot at all. It's pretty much line up and beat you on both sides of the ball.....

One thing I also mentioned prior, but would like add more flavor to: Their offense is explosive because of the talented WRs they have + a QB that can get it to them (obviously!)

But the "more flavor" part of it is that, with the 3 excellent WRs + a TE that can run, it seems Burrow has mastered the art of finding the single coverage and throwing it up to them.....and they are talented enough to come down with it.

Much like other teams can try to double Kelce and Hill and take their chances with everyone else, the Gals have the same thing going here.

Burrow is very comfortable just chucking it up and letting his guys make plays. He does occasionally make a "wow" throw (i.e. into a tight windows), but those really aren't that common with him.

The "wow" throws are usually a result of the WRs making the plays on the other end of Burrow's toss ups. I think it's paramount that the rush get to him before that happens.

The rush don't have to sack him per se, but interrupt him enough to where those 50/50 balls are long, short, offline, etc. to minimize the risk of those WRs coming down with it.....My guess, and seeing that Burrow likes to hold the ball, the sacks will come if the rush can come home. But the most important thing is to limit the long ball (BTW, the Gals are 39.5% on third downs, which is very average to below average for the league)

Don't get me wrong: Burrow is a very good QB, but he gets bailed out a ton by the WR talent they have. But it is very feast/famine for the Gals, so if the explosive plays can be limited, that is a huge plus for the Chiefs.

NOTE: I do expect the Gals to hit on some explosive plays along the way, particularly since the Chiefs are bend but don't break. If the Chiefs can keep those long plays from being scoring plays, then that will neuter the Gals offense


EDIT:
P.S. I also mentioned before that I don't understand the lack of motion by teams (but I'm not a coach, so who knows!).....so I've been wondering why the Gals don't motion a lot at all.....the only thing I could come up with is that, when they line up, each route assigned is in combination with the others, and Burrow is reading the Defense in conjunction with those combinations, and somehow, a motion would make that read more difficult.....

That is a weak theory I admit, but for the life of me I can't think of anything better.....would be curious of an answer to that from more knowledgable people!

Well then, you're missing out! Just look at how they've expanded their lineup since we were youngins.

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Yeah, you could argue they should only have 2 or 3 losses instead of 6, while the Chiefs should have 3 instead of 4.... or maybe 2 instead of 4.

And it's pretty remarkable the Chiefs have only played one truly terrible team this season in the NYG, even if they didn't get Rodgers (and teams like the Cowboys and Raiders are still managing wins, which is more than you can say for the Jags, Jets, Lions, etc.).

I personally narrow down my focus to games against SB contenders as having the most weight towards doing really well in the playoffs (of course, consistency and other things factor in to a lesser extent).... so, in the spirit of TimBone's post, there just isn't the 'wow' factor of signature wins this season.

Last season there was the Bills in Buffalo, Bucs in TB, Saints in NO... then even the Ravens in Baltimore. That's a schedule you look at and say, holy shit, this team can beat anyone, anywhere.

This season it's the Browns when they were full strength, then.... the 8-7 Chargers and almost the Ravens?

And I'm not trying to stir shit over it or anything... simply saying you could look at the schedule last season and have supreme confidence, where as this season it's more like the '20 Bills where you can point to a long win streak and point differential, but still a 'wait and see' to some extent (of course, we have Mahomes and every other team is a dumpster fire right now).

I've never actually made it, but probably ate it hundreds of times as a kid.

Well, I’m a big burrow fan so I think there’s a lot to be said for a guy who can execute the offense. He has tremendous touch and accuracy. The guy I’m less sure of is zac taylor. How much does talent vs scheme drive their success? And what happens when you can check talent and have to rely on scheme? May get a good check on that this weekend. And that team runs really hot and cold at times.

And that lends itself to the Brady-esque DPI calls, too, which I'm sure he's betting on sometimes... whether it's an intentional underthrow or hoping for incidental contact.

Don't forget the Lamb concussion came on a Dakception in the end zone as well.....

The whole team is off Covid, but the line has remained at Chiefs -5. This line would look really good if I were a betting man.

honestly, I don't recall seeing an aggrevious amounts of PI.....I'm sure it happened from time to time like it does for every team, but nothing that stood out to me.....

But I think the Bengals receivers (and Burrow) simply think they are that much better than everyone. On any given play, somebody is going to be one-on-one, so that's where the ball is going (and that's before mixing in the dynamic of the run game)

Maybe, but Burrow can sling it around and avoids pressure pretty well. I think KC wins if they take care of the ball. If the mistakes of past weeks rear their head again, it could easily be an L.

I hope they don't take it wrong when we leave Mahomes in during the 4th quarter so he can get his 600 yards passing.

He's been sacked more than any QB in the NFL.

The Bengals have played only 1 top-10 offense (PPG) this year, and lost 41-22 in that game (Chargers).

They played only 1 game against a top-10 defense (PPG), and scored 15 points in that game (Broncos).

They've played the easiest schedule in the league

Curious to see the spags burrow chess match. Burrow started the season dominating man coverage then looked a lot less dominant against Denver (assume they played a lot of man?). They have a damn good secondary. Our secondary is good too but good enough for this challenge or is burrow nearly as flawless against man as he was pegged? Or do we fake aggressiveness and play safer like we stumped dak.

Feel like spags is gonna play this aggressive as hell. Attack burrow, play aggressive man and go for boom bust. We may give up some big plays but we have the offense to recover. The minute we get an edge spags gets more creative and more aggressive, and opposing offenses start feeling like they need to press. If the gap widens spags goes berzerk with his blitzes.

Feel like we’re giving burrow something he’s not used to. A lot of teams have been playing him safe. Since safe zone is en vogue this year. But spags is having success bucking that trend by being creative as hell with his blitz packages. Good test for our defense with burrow and a good test for burrow too. This matchup between our defense and burrow will be super interesting.

Imagine what those numbers would be if he didn't avoid pressure well!

Gotta give Andy this. I know bob sutton gets a lot of shit. But Andy has been real creative with his defensive choices. He bucked the trend with Sutton going dime when everyone was blitzing. And now he’s bucking the trend by blitzing when everyone else is laying up. Gives other offenses something unique to look at. Who knows how long that lasts but for now it seems to suit us especially well this year with DPI being loosely enforced.

That, and the previous 3 years before this.

Big yup

Yeah, but from what I’ve seen, there could’ve been a lot more. Their protection was awful in the footage I saw.

Bengals fans seem convinced that their pass protection isn’t all that bad. The problem is more that Burrow holds the ball too long.

All of the win rate stats and grades indicate that the OL is trash.

Well how about their line being trash AND burrow holding the ball too long? That’s the recipe for success right?

I'd trust Bengals fans on that honestly... they watch every snap every week.
Just like us with the Chiefs. No talking head on ESPN or NFLN knows the Chiefs better than we do.

Realistically, it’s a bit of both.

The OL is trash though. I don’t trust PFF, but their grade along with practically every other metric for evaluating OL says that they suck. Particularly the interior, which is great for us.

I feel like we still attack, putting confidence in our CBs, expecting our blitz creativity to get us decent pressure and being cool being beat over the top every once in a while.

If the bengals fans are right and burrow is a true man beater, do we play a similar defense as we did vs dak where we fake attack then pull back? I don’t think they’re right. I think we’ll get plenty of pressure even playing man vs very good receivers.

Bungal love, is driving them mad
It's making them crazy
To finally win three in a row
They'd blow the corpse of Patrick Swayze

It's a noon game I didn't take the day off but to told my boss I'd be late but the game maybe over before 4th quarter.



This team is on a mission to kick ass and chew bubble gum but is all out of bubble gum thanks to Pete Carroll.

The gif wars between the Bengals and Chiefs subreddits have been pretty spectacular.

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Remember our game vs Flacco in Mile High? Yeah...probably something like that rather than a guy who just threw for 500+ and averages 27 ppg.

ROFL sooo good

The Bengals are near the bottom in pass block win rate.

I don’t trust much of what I read on their forum. They seem to think they’re great at everything but covering tight ends.

The Joe Boorow hype is getting crazy. Spags called him a young Tom Brady-lol

Mahomes got voted AFC player of the month, but all the media want to talk about is Joe Boo.

Can't wait to crush these guys.

Plenty of Chief fans hated the idea of trading Alex Smith and drafting Mahomes. The fans are biased and can’t be trusted.

On here?

Most of those Chiefs fans were actually Alex Smith fans who followed him to KC.

Burrow has been sacked 44 times. We have our full "D" back at this point. Weather is crazy for Sunday in Cincinnati scattered showers and a high of 38 and a low of 20. This will be FUN! :thumb: We will win - no worries!

damn that's crazy, surprised he's doing as good as he is with that. I guess they finally hit on a QB, well they did with Carson Palmer but he got hurt. I don't expect this one to be too easy though.

Pete Prisco:

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This is the game of the week. The Bengals are riding high after blowing out the Ravens last week, while the Chiefs are the top seed in the AFC. This has all the makings of an offensive shootout, with Joe Burrow trying to match Patrick Mahomes. It will be a treat to watch. It will be close, too.

Pick: Chiefs 33, Bengals 31


I don’t think there is any chance in hell the Bungles score 31pts.


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Kansas City Chiefs
Kansas City Chiefs
ML: -230 · 11-4
31-24
Cincinnati Bengals
Cincinnati Bengals
ML: +190 · 9-6
WHERE: Paul Brown Stadium (Cincinnati)
WHEN: 1 p.m. ET | CBS
SPREAD: Chiefs -5 | O/U: 51


The Chiefs' offensive line was fixed in the offseason. The Chiefs' offense was fixed sometime after Thanksgiving. Patrick Mahomes is comfortable again in the pocket and players like Byron Pringle and Derrick Gore are now taking center stage for drives at a time. Joe Burrow and this Cincinnati offense could keep up with Kansas City if all things were equal, but they aren’t. The Chiefs' defense, especially in the secondary, is much tougher than the Bengals' D to consistently move the ball against.

It had to pain him to not have the Bengals win straight up

I think I could eat an uncooked box of hamburger helper and a lb of raw hamburger and I’d shit out something tastier than skyline chili.

FR. This guy has hated the Chiefs his whole career. You can probably count, on one hand, the amount of times he’s given them credit for anything without a backhanded remark immediately following.


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We're gonna smoke these fools....

I’m going to miss at least the first quarter because of a flight.

I haven’t missed any Chiefs game in ages so this makes me sad.

But I will still post GDT.

What idiot flies on Sundays during football season?

That was the cheapest flight. ROFL

Besides, I figured we would be mopping up losers at this point.

I think we see a lot of different looks, and the lack of pre-snap motion by the Gals would seem to fit right in to Spags wont to disguise coverages and otherwise play mind games with the offense. But ultimately, Spags will be Spags, and I think the guy has a good knack for calling up the right defenses at the right times, as well as timing out the 0 cover blitzes

In regards to the discussion on the OL: They hold up OK when the Gals are ahead of the chains. This is because they use the run to set up the pass. The struggle comes when they are behind the chains. As far as Burrow holding the ball: It's definitely true, but it's because he wants to be Uber-aggressive on downfield throws to the receiver that is one-on-one. I mention this because, if Spags can disguise the coverages well, that's going to make Burrow hold the ball split seconds longer than he likes, and allow our pressure to get home. I also really like Chris Jones on the inside in this game (I mean, who doesn't, but this is the type of game our front four should feast).

It will be cool if we can get to a quick lead. The bigger the gap the more I can see spags dialing up the riverboat gambling blitzes. Since he won’t mind getting beat a few times. We’ll see how savvy burrow is at picking it up and avoiding that pressure. Teams have been afraid to pressure him but spags this year has been wildly creative with his blitzes and coverages. Maybe the chiefs offense is also again back to the level where if we get a lead the other offense will press which feeds right into spags hands.

I like this quote. Things are NOT equal.

Where are you flying in from?

Pay for the in-flight wifi and stream the game, ya cheap bastard.

They throttle streaming services so that's pretty much useless, at least it was in my case on Southwest here a few months back. Could still log onto CP and browse so that's good at least.

I am not seeing any other Info on Thuney other than he landed on the Injury Report with an Illness not Covid. Has anybody heard whats going on with him?

They have switched coach's pc to after practice(Covid?). Will be around 1:00pm or so.

May your flight get cancelled.

So you can watch the entire game!