Originally Posted by KevB (Post 9369070)

Westbrook is a nut, but they have a great mix to deal with it. Everyone else is so even keeled, so it works for them. You need someone with a little fire to keep everyone on their toes.

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 9369309)

He missed the open man (at least once) and was then apparently upset that someone didn't bail him out. Hopefully, he watches the film and it humbles him a bit.

Originally Posted by okcchief (Post 9369311)

He could have been right too, but regardless he needs to calm down in situations like that.

Originally Posted by KevB (Post 9369270)

I think they can be mid tier....in the East. Ross and Jonas clearly have upside and are very young. Sure, there's some question on what they will become, but good young talent. Gay and DeRozan are overpaid and not particularly efficient, but they aren't terrible players if you take the money out of the equation. Now, Landry Fields? Ummmm. Lowry can ball, but he has warts. Amir has been pretty solid when he's able to stay on the floor (foul magnet). Bargs is gone by the trade deadline I'd think, so he's not (or, shouldn't be) part of the discussion.

Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 9369332)

To be mid-tier, you need to have better core players than that. Brooklyn has Deron Williams, Brook Lopez, and Joe Johnson, Indiana has Danny Granger, David West, and Paul George, and Atlanta has Al Horford and Josh Smith. The Raptors have....Kyle Lowry. What else is there? An inefficient shot jacker in Rudy Gay? A player who can't score efficiently, pass, or defend in DeRozan? A backup PF in Amir Johnson that can't stay on the floor?

For the Raptors to be any good at all, you're basically banking on two complete unknowns (Ross and Jonas) becoming good for this team to become any good. It's just not a good bet at all. The Raptors didn't have the current talent/asset base for such a trade to make any sense for them.

And BTW, I'll believe Colangelo trades Bargnani away when he actually does it. Who the hell would want him?



Scott ***** of the NBA (they both screwed their franchises up by their devotion to shitty players; Cassel and Bargnani), but given three years longer to play with his toy.

Originally Posted by KevB (Post 9369366)

To be fair, Hawks won't have Josh Smith most likely next season. So, East is Heat/Bulls/Pacers/Nets probably next season. Maybe the Knicks, and the Celts probably fall by the wayside. So yeah, Raptors probably mid tier in the East. Not mid-tier playoff team, but mid-tier in the entire conference. Believe me, I'm not defending Colangelo. He's royally screwed things up. But I do think Toronto fights for a playoff spot next season, with an swift first round exit and still not hope to move up in the pecking order.

Originally Posted by Chiefs Pantalones (Post 9369390)

I can always count on this when I watch the Thunder... I'm watching a Thunder game and KD is hot and Westbrook gets that look like, "waaahhhhh, I wanna shoot the ball big brother!!!" and makes a dumbass decision throwing up a stupid shot. I've seen that on more than one occasion and KD gives him a look back down the court like," WTF were you doing there? I'm on fire!" There was this one play last week where KD was wide open for three and Westbrook just drove it in the paint, threw up a crazy shot and the Lakers scored on the fast break. Dude needs to grow up.

Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 9369381)

Sounds like a promising future. Maybe they'll do better than the last time he made a big splash for no reason and overpaid Hedo Turkoglu (when they came 9th with a far better core that included Chris Bosh).