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DJ's left nut 03-07-2023 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Cave Johnson (Post 16841664)
DJ clearly bills in .2 increments.

.10; you pay for the first minute, get the next 5 free!

SAGA45 03-07-2023 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16841647)
Until he doesn't sign it. Then what are you doing?

That's a different discussion and one that was already had for the majority of last offseason, OTA's and minicamp. My point in response to your original comment was that it's not up to Brown(or any player for that matter) whether ot not the get tagged. The team and the team alone holds that power.

htismaqe 03-07-2023 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 16841649)
While option two is definitely it is a remote one. One can safely infer from what we do know that most likely option 1 is the correct one. Looking at a few things, here is what can be inferred:

1. They could not come to an agreement last year.
2. Brown signed the tag and bet on himself
3. In doing so he had another Pro Bowl season along with anchoring a line that gave up zero sacks in the SB against a team that finished third all time in sacks.
4. As such his asking price would not have stagnated and if anything probably went up significantly.
5. Tagging a guy a second time is a bad look for the team if he were to even agree to it.
6. No point in tagging him if the possibility of signing him long term was not available.

It's all covered in 1 and 3. They couldn't come to an agreement last year. And all Brown did was go to the PB and anchor one of the best offensive line performances of all time.

Sure, it's possible his asking price has gone up. Probable even.

It's also possible that the Chiefs think he's worth MORE than what he wanted last year.

We simply don't know anything.

DJ's left nut 03-07-2023 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16841647)
Until he doesn't sign it. Then what are you doing?

I think Veach knew that if Brown called his bluff, he'd have to rescind the tag.

If the agent says "We're not signing it and he has $20 million in his pocket from playing football so we're not playing on it - ever", Veach can't very well go into camp hoping he'll change his mind with no real plan at LT.

Meanwhile the $20 million he'd use to fill that hole or put together a plan B is tied up in the tag.

So he'd have to rescind it and by then the market has dried up. That's why I think they won't use the draft to get handle the OT position and why Jawaan Taylor still seems like the most logical alternative.

If they were content using the draft, they'd go that route to build in their plan B without worrying about the cap being tied up. But they WANT that cap space available so they simply aren't going to put the tag on him.

The more I think on it, the more obvious the justification becomes.

The Franchise 03-07-2023 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16841674)
I think Veach knew that if Brown called his bluff, he'd have to rescind the tag.

If the agent says "We're not signing it and he has $20 million in his pocket from playing football so we're not playing on it - ever", Veach can't very well go into camp hoping he'll change his mind with no real plan at LT.

Meanwhile the $20 million he'd use to fill that hole or put together a plan B is tied up in the tag.

So he'd have to rescind it and by then the market has dried up. That's why I think they won't use the draft to get handle the OT position and why Jawaan Taylor still seems like the most logical alternative.

If they were content using the draft, they'd go that route to build in their plan B without worrying about the cap being tied up. But they WANT that cap space available so they simply aren't going to put the tag on him.

The more I think on it, the more obvious the justification becomes.

I'm sure you've said it before earlier but do you think that Taylor can do an adequate job at LT?

htismaqe 03-07-2023 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16841674)
I think Veach knew that if Brown called his bluff, he'd have to rescind the tag.

If the agent says "We're not signing it and he has $20 million in his pocket from playing football so we're not playing on it - ever", Veach can't very well go into camp hoping he'll change his mind with no real plan at LT.

Meanwhile the $20 million he'd use to fill that hole or put together a plan B is tied up in the tag.

So he'd have to rescind it and by then the market has dried up. That's why I think they won't use the draft to get handle the OT position and why Jawaan Taylor still seems like the most logical alternative.

If they were content using the draft, they'd go that route to build in their plan B without worrying about the cap being tied up. But they WANT that cap space available so they simply aren't going to put the tag on him.

The more I think on it, the more obvious the justification becomes.

Yep.

DJ's left nut 03-07-2023 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by SAGA45 (Post 16841667)
That's a different discussion and one that was already had for the majority of last offseason, OTA's and minicamp. My point in response to your original comment was that it's not up to Brown(or any player for that matter) whether ot not the get tagged. The team and the team alone holds that power.

He'd made about $3.5 million in his career and had no leverage last season. He's not gonna pass on a $16 million, life altering payday.

There wasn't a realistic possibility he wouldn't sign the tag last season. He just didn't want to go through full OTAs, IMO.

This season it's different and we knew it would be.

tredadda 03-07-2023 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16841668)
It's all covered in 1 and 3. They couldn't come to an agreement last year. And all Brown did was go to the PB and anchor one of the best offensive line performances of all time.

Sure, it's possible his asking price has gone up. Probable even.

It's also possible that the Chiefs think he's worth MORE than what he wanted last year.

We simply don't know anything.

True. I don't disagree with you. I could be wrong and will gladly acknowledge that if they sign him. I just struggle to see the gap between what he wanted last year vs this year and what KC offered him last year vs this year closing any. In my opinion it has probably widened. The only unknown is what the team truly feels his value is. It could be higher than what we think, I just don't know on that.

htismaqe 03-07-2023 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16841677)
I'm sure you've said it before earlier but do you think that Taylor can do an adequate job at LT?

It depends on how much he ends up getting paid.

Sure, Tayler can do an adequate job but at what cost? If he gets into the $18M range, the salary save isn't enough to justify the potential drop-off in production. He have to come in cheaper than that for it to really be worth it.

JMHO

htismaqe 03-07-2023 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 16841681)
True. I don't disagree with you. I could be wrong and will gladly acknowledge that if they sign him. I just struggle to see the gap between what he wanted last year vs this year and what KC offered him last year vs this year closing any. In my opinion it has probably widened. The only unknown is what the team truly feels his value is. It could be higher than what we think, I just don't know on that.

And in the end, that's really all I'm saying. We just don't know, at least not yet. It will become much more clear soon, though. If they're truly going to let him test FA, he'll get offers the second the new league year begins next week.

tredadda 03-07-2023 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16841674)
I think Veach knew that if Brown called his bluff, he'd have to rescind the tag.

If the agent says "We're not signing it and he has $20 million in his pocket from playing football so we're not playing on it - ever", Veach can't very well go into camp hoping he'll change his mind with no real plan at LT.

Meanwhile the $20 million he'd use to fill that hole or put together a plan B is tied up in the tag.

So he'd have to rescind it and by then the market has dried up. That's why I think they won't use the draft to get handle the OT position and why Jawaan Taylor still seems like the most logical alternative.

If they were content using the draft, they'd go that route to build in their plan B without worrying about the cap being tied up. But they WANT that cap space available so they simply aren't going to put the tag on him.

The more I think on it, the more obvious the justification becomes.

Any possibility they are doing this to possibly look at locking in Sneed/Gay/Bolton (if they are eligible to extend him yet)? Not sure, but wondering if that free space is for something like that.

RunKC 03-07-2023 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16841683)
It depends on how much he ends up getting paid.

Sure, Tayler can do an adequate job but at what cost? If he gets into the $18M range, the salary save isn't enough to justify the potential drop-off in production. He have to come in cheaper than that for it to really be worth it.

JMHO

It would be the flexibility of the contract and the long term deal making his 2023 cap number much lower than the tag.

Orlando wanted full guarantees beyond signing.

The Franchise 03-07-2023 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 16841691)
Any possibility they are doing this to possibly look at locking in Sneed/Gay/Bolton (if they are eligible to extend him yet)? Not sure, but wondering if that free space is for something like that.

I think it's more about the guys that are current FAs. Veach had his hands tied early in FA last year with the Hill deal and he had to pivot last minute after the trade. It worked out but I don't think that was his plan.

htismaqe 03-07-2023 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16841696)
It would be the flexibility of the contract and the long term deal making his 2023 cap number much lower than the tag.

Orlando wanted full guarantees beyond signing.

Except that Veach explicitly stated he wants guys that are going to be here for the long haul. If you don't give Taylor those guarantees, he's essentially signing a standard contract that, while it lowers the initial cap hit, makes the out years cut years. That's really not a long-term strategy, IMO.

Wisconsin_Chief 03-07-2023 12:22 PM

Isn't Taylor a RT?


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