You have to understand that since Mahomes became a Chief opposing fans have been coming in here trolling us about how Pat isn't really "all that," or whatever. We used to get dozens of you guys in here every week spewing all kinds of nonsense about Pat. About how he was just a flash int he pan, that he'd regress every week, etc.


We've kinda gotten used to that being a big part of the narrative from opposing fans.

You ARE starting to show your true colors now aren't you? What did I say that was wrong?

That makes sense if true. I can see the confusion. My starting point is that Mahomes is the best player in the NFL and one of the best of all time. The question is then does that make the Chiefs infallible, or can a complete team like the Ravens take them down? But the premise is never that Mahomes is anything but the best player in the league.

You do you. Just turning the lights on is all.

Mhmm. Ok.

You can understand why we’re skeptics, yes?

We’ve been in the last 6 AFC Championships, while Lamar has never played in one.

Well sure, but in this QB driven league that position typically has the most impact on a team as a whole and games specifically. Thus, all the attention it receives.

This feels exactly like the game against phili last year.

Sure. But he wouldn't be the first great player to hit a wall early in his career only to get past it. Those narratives exist until they don't. Does anyone call Manning a playoff choker anymore? That was the book on him until... it wasn't. If you'll only believe it when you see it then I get it, but often times it pays to be ahead of the curve rather than behind it.

Definitely. Can't think of a single position more important in any sport than quarterback. But at the same time, there's no sport where the whole team matters more than any individual player than football.

oops, I hit the wrong thumb, sorry...

Of course not. I do think the "franchise QB vs complete team" thing is well proven at this point, favoring the franchise QB. You obviously can't surround a franchise QB with a bunch of scrubs and expect miracles, but one guy sure can cover up a lot weaknesses.

And of course, the Chiefs are a pretty complete team this year as well.

Oh absolutely

You don't have any All-Pro's on your DL. Hamilton and Rowuan are very good but you guys are probably not stupid enough to blitz Mahomes. I don't have faith in your front 4 getting consistent pressure on Mahomes.

"Digger" making a late push to be biggest hater on the board. Taking the torch from rydogg58 to dislike every single comment I make.

Gotta give it to these guys. Really taking advantage of the lack of a cap on thumbs downs here. Very similar to Mahomes taking advantage of every rule in the book like when he tip toes down the sideline to squeeze out extra yards and yet flails wildly when a defender dares to actually push him out.

Don't hate the player; hate the game.