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If he grew up a Royals fan, I doubt he can do this... he hates the Cardinals, I bet.

He sincerely wants to remain a Royal. I hope that we can pay him.

Anyong Bluth

12-11-2015 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 11945549)

Absolutely zero chance of a long term deal for Hoz. So we know this is bullshit.

Imagine what Cain would get on the open market right now.

Except it's not. They've been on record that they fully intend to aggressively extend him. They were also upfront and frank about the likelihood of resigning Shields and other guys, so why would they smokescreen about this?

They're not dumb about the $$$ and years keeping Hoz would take, and it provides them zero benefit to come out and take that position unless they are letting Eric and Boras know they're serious about getting a new contract done.

Dayton hasn't been one to mince words or blow sunshine up the public's ass about pipedream scenarios.

Clearly, there's no guarantee, but it won't be a situation where the organization has washed their hands, giving up, and just moving on.

cmh6476

12-11-2015 05:34 PM

Can they do a cost/ benefit analysis of what having butts in the seats in September means in terms of revenue?

If so, can we guess how many wins having Gordon everday in LF compares to Dyson?

DJ's left nut

12-11-2015 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 11945492)

Do it GMDM
@royalsreview: Crasnick says Alex Gordon is line for a 5 year $75-80 million offer elsewhere.

Done.

If the Cards got Gordon at 5/$80 million, they could take the other $100 million they saved on Heyward and aggressively pursue Wei Yin Chen.

The Cards are better with Gordon and Chen than they are with just Heyward.

And Duncan, I have to presume that he'd have $80 million reasons to switch to RF. He won't do it for free, but if it comes as a condition of accepting that deal, I suspect he'd be open to it.

DJ's left nut

12-11-2015 05:50 PM

AL fans: I've done some digging on Chen; looked at arsenal and what not, watched some clips on Youtube - why is there not more buzz around the guy?

He's a legitimate 4 pitch pitcher with 2 fastballs (making him a 5 pitch pitcher). His average fastball velocity is over 91 but it's because he's a tinkerer in the Greinke mold; he adds and subtracts from his fastball a lot. I watched an AB where he had 94/95 with ease to blow away Nelson Cruz. He's a lefty so even if his velocity declines a bit, his stuff will play up as he ages.

He pitched to a mid 3's ERA in an hellish homer environment (not to mention with so many road games in Boston, Toronto and NYY). He has a superlative walk rate and his HR rate away from Camden is top shelf.

Why is this guy so far under the radar? Is there something you guys see about him that I'm missing? This guy appears to be a no-shit #2 starter with the potential to be among the top 10 LHSP in the league (non-Kershaw division). What am I missing? Why don't people seem to think he's as good as I do?

lewdog

12-11-2015 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 11945142)

If Gordon does the Prison Douche plan and signs with the Cardinals, the Royals fan base will light up like Hiroshima on social media.

I think the hate wouldn't be directed at Gordon but the royals for being cheap. Most royals fans remember our continued low payroll and don't blame the players but the organization.

Sassy Squatch

12-11-2015 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by lewdog (Post 11945640)

I think the hate wouldn't be directed at Gordon but the royals for being cheap. Most royals fans remember our continued low payroll and don't blame the players but the organization.

If Gordon signed for 5/75 to 80 and it wasn't here, I know I'd be livid. That is a completely reasonable deal for him.

srvy	12-11-2015 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 11945036)

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/JasonHeyward">@JasonHeyward</a> I hope someone throws it at your face again you greedy piece of shit.</p>— clay jarrell (@cgjcards) <a href="https://twitter.com/cgjcards/status/675378809420578817">December 11, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">For signing with the Cubs Jason Heyward I hope you get Lou Gehrigs</p>— Seth Patterson (@patterson_seth) <a href="https://twitter.com/patterson_seth/status/675381323578499072">December 11, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/JasonHeyward">@JasonHeyward</a> **** you trader! ****ing pillowbitergot!</p>— Justin (@ChefJustln) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChefJustln/status/675387136904835072">December 11, 2015</a></blockquote>
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duncan_idaho

12-11-2015 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 11945623)

He wouldn't move to RF when he was about to bust out of baseball. Unless his deal to play RF completely crushes all other offers, it would be something I'd expect to be a real factor.

San Francisco is going to be very competitive for him, to play HIS position. Will the Cardinals go way over the top of that to play him out of position?

Gordon's defensive excellence is more about his reads and instincts than anything else. Moving him to the other side of the diamond is risky,IMO, if you're expecting prime defensive value from him.

And at 5/80, KC can be right there/very competitive.

Prison Bitch

12-11-2015 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 11945629)

He's very good, no question. I'd give even odds he'll produce close to Cueto next 5 years.

Prison Bitch

12-11-2015 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by teedubya (Post 11945578)

If he grew up a Royals fan, I doubt he can do this... he hates the Cardinals, I bet.

He sincerely wants to remain a Royal. I hope that we can pay him.

Didn't Gordon grow up an Orioles fan?

lewdog

12-11-2015 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 11945645)

If Gordon signed for 5/75 to 80 and it wasn't here, I know I'd be livid. That is a completely reasonable deal for him.

Yea I think they Royals could handle that and it wouldn't be a huge gamble. If someone offers him 6 years, that would be crazy and I bet he'd take it.

Sure-Oz

12-11-2015 06:48 PM

@JonHeymanCBS: Royals, orioles among many teams in on Scott kazmir

TomBarndtsTwin

12-11-2015 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 11945515)

5 for 90 is what I think it will take. That is also very doable for the Royals as well.

I'm not so sure that contract is "doable" for the Royals in their present situation.

They're not going to want to guarantee that 5th year on a player that will be then 37. So a 5 for $90 mil. contract would look something like;

Year 1: 18 mil.
Year 2: 20 mil.
Year 3: 22 mil.
Year 4: 25 mil.
Year 5: 28 mil. (Team option - $5 mil. buyout)

IF the Royals are interested in re-signing Gordon and his price tag is around 90 mil. that is the type of contract they would have to consider.

I love Gordon, but it doesn't make sense to give that contract to a player that is 32 years old. 27 or 28, maybe.

If his price tag goes that high, the Royals would be smart to let him walk and focus on LoCain and/or Moose. Maybe give Salvy a little more $$$ for some extra years trade off. Hoz is a pipedream. He is Taylor made for Yankees stadium and I'm sure the Yankees would throw 28-30 mil. Per year at him once he hits FA at the young age of 28. And if not them, someone else will.

Gordon is a franchise icon and will always be a 'Royal' at heart, but it's time to tip our cap, thank him for his years of service and move on. Unless his price tag becomes lower than expected ( say $75 mil. over 5).

You can't cripple the future of the franchise over sentimentality.

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