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SAUTO 12-20-2016 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieray (Post 12631891)
Nobody is depending on it.

...Except Smith bashers.

Stevie, I love you man, but you are crazy lately.

Sorry. I love you still, crazy brings out the best in me

Sweet Daddy Hate 12-20-2016 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieray (Post 12631891)
Nobody is depending on it.

...Except Smith supporters.

If "team sport"-team carries Alex from W to W, bailing his ass out, the only reward is further spouting of the ridiculous "all he does is win"-mantra from the Alex Smith Piss-Puddle Fan Club.

No one wants that.

GloryDayz 12-20-2016 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12631619)
Trevor Semen, a 7th round draft pick in his first year starting, has scored 1 more TD than Alex in the same amount of games.

He makes 3% of what Alex does

Ouch...

New World Order 12-20-2016 11:04 PM

But how is Alex at setting up the punter?

Simply Red 12-20-2016 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 12631895)
Stevie, I love you man, but you are crazy lately.

Sorry. I love you still, crazy brings out the best in me

http://i68.tinypic.com/246unmc.jpg

Molitoth 12-21-2016 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by stevieray (Post 12631628)
Especially the W/L column.

ROFL

Every Alex fan just loves reverting to a TEAM stat in their rebuttals, that should be weighted more towards defense and special teams points.

Out of all the fans that have witnessed this scenario before, you have done it up front and personal. I have to admit you have some massive gonads to keep taking the abuse this franchise feeds you year after year.

You are in LALA land man, just like you were with Matt Cassel and company.

Because, Chiefs.

Sandy Vagina 12-21-2016 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 12632339)
Every Alex fan just loves reverting to a TEAM stat

To be fair, name a TEAM stat that matters more than winning. ALL of team's fans should care most about winning, no?

Can and has been said that wins mean nothing if no SB, but it takes enough wins just to get that SB chance, no?


We ALL want to win pretty, and have the #1 "ranked" offense in every stat. Yes, the stats are underwhelming... but pale in significance to wins, right?


All of that said.. and I genuinely mean this.. if they feel they can do better with some other QB, I welcome it. Alex Smith has simply not been impressive much this season. Maybe few or no QBs would be with all of the issues around him.. but I'm at a point where I am fine with finding out with someone else. At the very least, the level of CP hate for the next poor bastard at QB won't be worse or even near the level it is now. Win or lose, at least that much would be a nice silver lining.

Molitoth 12-21-2016 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks (Post 12632371)
To be fair, name a TEAM stat that matters more than winning. ALL of team's fans should care most about winning, no?

You can use W/L when judging a TEAM, not in individual player.

----

Let me break this down:

Say you own a business and have 10 employees:

9 Employees bust their ass everyday to make your business successful.
The last employee, (that you are paying the most money) continues to do the job wrong, sit on his ass, and bring your business a bad reputation.

BUT... your business is very profitable. SO ALL YOUR SHIT EMPLOYEE DOES IS WIN.



How is this hard to understand?


Edit:
1 Caveat to this whole scenario would be Andy Reid's role, and if he is the boss that is forcing his employee to suck at his job.
I still can't figure out who is to blame, so I will continue to be critical of both.

rico 12-21-2016 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 12632402)
You can use W/L when judging a TEAM, not in individual player.

----

Let me break this down:

Say you own a business and have 10 employees:

9 Employees bust their ass everyday to make your business successful.
The last employee, (that you are paying the most money) continues to do the job wrong, sit on his ass, and bring your business a bad reputation.

BUT... your business is very profitable. SO ALL YOUR SHIT EMPLOYEE DOES IS WIN.



How is this hard to understand?

:clap:

rico 12-21-2016 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks (Post 12632371)
To be fair, name a TEAM stat that matters more than winning. ALL of team's fans should care most about winning, no?

Can and has been said that wins mean nothing if no SB, but it takes enough wins just to get that SB chance, no?


We ALL want to win pretty, and have the #1 "ranked" offense in every stat. Yes, the stats are underwhelming... but pale in significance to wins, right?


All of that said.. and I genuinely mean this.. if they feel they can do better with some other QB, I welcome it. Alex Smith has simply not been impressive much this season. Maybe few or no QBs would be with all of the issues around him.. but I'm at a point where I am fine with finding out with someone else. At the very least, the level of CP hate for the next poor bastard at QB won't be worse or even near the level it is now. Win or lose, at least that much would be a nice silver lining.

What is the picture you have in your head of how this board used to talk about Matt Cassel? Honest question. Do you seriously believe that the CP hate for a QB can't get any worse?

Dude...it was 2-3 times as bad in the Cassel era... Did you know that?

Sandy Vagina 12-21-2016 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 12632402)
How is this hard to understand?

Must be really hard to understand for professional coaches then. Andy, damn you, don't you understand?!? :facepalm:


Quote:

Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 12632402)
You can use W/L when judging a TEAM, not in individual player.

You don't get to play this game. You lost this privilege when you use general yardage, TD, and team yard totals to criticize one player (QB). They are ALL team stats... derived from their HC's philosophy.

It's football. It is ALL team results.

ChiefsLV 12-21-2016 09:45 AM

I can't watch another season pissed away with Alex Smith at the helm. Give me someone who at least gives us hope of improving at the most important position on offense.

Baby Lee 12-21-2016 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 12632402)
You can use W/L when judging a TEAM, not in individual player.

----

Let me break this down:

Say you own a business and have 10 employees:

9 Employees bust their ass everyday to make your business successful.
The last employee, (that you are paying the most money) continues to do the job wrong, sit on his ass, and bring your business a bad reputation.

BUT... your business is very profitable. SO ALL YOUR SHIT EMPLOYEE DOES IS WIN.



How is this hard to understand?


Edit:
1 Caveat to this whole scenario would be Andy Reid's role, and if he is the boss that is forcing his employee to suck at his job.
I still can't figure out who is to blame, so I will continue to be critical of both.

Truth be told, Alex weighs little in the calculus for me.

He's proven he can win. He's proven he can come back [Chargers, Broncos]. He's proven he can ball out in the playoffs [Colts].

Does he do it all the time? No. But if he CAN, yet he DOESN'T, it's not an ironclad conclusion that he CAN, except when he alone CAN'T.

The bulk of the calculus after judging Alex capable shifts to trusting Andy and Dorsey to both keep frosty on roster evaluation and keep vigilant on new talent acquisition.

If Dorsey and Andy still have faith, I'm rolling with them. If they target a QB, wherever they target, be it a blockbuster trade, a later draft steal or even betting the farm on a blue chipper. I'll trust that as well.

As it stand now, Alex is not 'the' problem. Those who try to single out scapegoats in a team game are simpletons.

And all, and I mean ALL, the talk about the Hunts only want 'mediocrity' and are actively thwarting an express need, voiced by Andy/Dorsey and disregarded, for a better QB out of fear or cheapness is reeruned bullshit.

Molitoth 12-21-2016 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 12632418)
And all, and I mean ALL, the talk about the Hunts only want 'mediocrity' and are actively thwarting an express need, voiced by Andy/Dorsey and disregarded, for a better QB out of fear or cheapness is reeruned bullshit.

I can back you on that.

Molitoth 12-21-2016 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 12632418)
Truth be told, Alex weighs little in the calculus for me.

He's proven he can win. He's proven he can come back [Chargers, Broncos]. He's proven he can ball out in the playoffs [Colts].

This is why he is so freaking frustrating.

Does he do it all the time? No. But if he CAN, yet he DOESN'T, it's not an ironclad conclusion that he CAN, except when he alone CAN'T.

The bulk of the calculus after judging Alex capable shifts to trusting Andy and Dorsey to both keep frosty on roster evaluation and keep vigilant on new talent acquisition.

If Dorsey and Andy still have faith, I'm rolling with them. If they target a QB, wherever they target, be it a blockbuster trade, a later draft steal or even betting the farm on a blue chipper. I'll trust that as well.

This franchises trust and ego with Cassel, Grbac, Bono, Huard, Etc.. has ruined it for me. They have gotten it wrong WAY too many times and continue to give a super long leash to the most important position in sports. Where is the strive for excellence here?

As it stand now, Alex is not 'the' problem. Those who try to single out scapegoats in a team game are simpletons.

Andy Reid is the root of the problem, but Alex Smith is the tree that's growing out of the ground.


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