Clark is better than Ford in every way. He's better than Ford + Houston in every way. It's a major upgrade, and we still have benefits coming to the front 7's play from an improved scheme and anyone we might add to the linebacker spots. I don't know why anyone would be against this.

Do people wish we had stayed at #29 and ended up with a developmental prospect, or traded down when there was nothing thrilling at #29 - ending up with a couple of special teams players who probably won't get many snaps at all? Who would be starting if not for Clark? How is that an acceptable compromise?

How can anyone be mad that we went to get a guy who is an every down impact player right now? We should have stayed there and instead bought a raffle ticket hoping we'd win someone who would turn into a Frank Clark in a few years for free?

Get out of here with that, people... (not you htis)

I’ll never understand why people don’t get that just because you think they should’ve gotten more for a guy means they in fact could have.

Trust me, if Veach could’ve gotten more for Peters or Ford, he would have.

What else can you do about it other than bitch? If you don't like their product or the message they send then don't watch, that's literally the option.

Honestly, cause hope.

That and the people that spent hundreds of hours talking draft.

Yes, another theory that makes no sense. Like we would pass up a better offer because Veach wanted to get less for a player than he really could have?

You can be angry that Peters and Ford weren't worth as much as you had hoped, but the market spoke.

Or you can still be a fan while seriously questioning why they made the move considering what happened with Hunt and what's happening with Hill. I don't give a **** about the optics.

There's 2 types of negotiators. There's the guy who finds what he likes and buys it at the best deal he can and there's the guy that finds what he likes but only buys at his price point. Guy #1 gets what he wants and moves on to the next thing. Guy#2 can get what he wants eventually if the other side gives in or he ends up with a substitute that may or may not work. Veach is obviously #1 and the best example I can think of for #2 was Carl Peterson.

We still have a lot of "who will do this?" Who will play ILB. Who besides honey Badger will run a spags scheme that relies on really smart DB's. And it also begs the question of if we could have solved this edge rush earlier in the offseason and saved ourselves the picks... Even begs the question of if we could have just used ford as a one year stopgap until we found a long term solution.

Don't get me wrong. I'm excited as hell to have Clark. I just don't get people swearing off what a 29 and 60-ish pick could do just because they won't be frank Clark calibre. A few years from now when all our contracts expire at once and we have virtually no young pipeline to fill those gaps, we're going to be asking a lot more "who will do this" questions. I hope to God we have a super bowl before then.

Losing Hunt didn't end up hurting us in the end. We still got HFA, and we still couldn't stop the run against the Pats.

Losing Hill would hurt in the short term, but nobody is irreplaceable.

We already know who is going to play ILB for the most part. We may not like it but it doesn't make it less true.

This team was a 5-yard penalty away from the Super Bowl. The "young pipeline" is something we can fret about this weekend and all through this offseason and next offseason.

Except for Pat...

Carl was the guy who won't buy anything unless it's on sale. Veach seems like the guy who feels it's better to overpay and get exactly what you want than to be left with band-aid solutions.

One of those guys didn't win a Super Bowl in 20 years of trying, the other is already close.

Yep. The goal is to win a Super Bowl in 2019. Everything after this is largely immaterial until this time next year.

You’re just not going to have a decent defense with 25 choir boys. It’s not happening. The guy F’ed up when he was what, 21? It happens and virtually every company, including the one that you probably work for, employs guys with things in their past.