OK, thanks...didn't understand that part.

We could do that, and that'd be ideal, but I'd worry a little about timing. That'd be a lot more rounds, and then it'd start interfering with training camp and injuries and stuff.

I think the scrubs thing would still kick in if you completely run out of players at a position. For example, if you keep 3 QBs on your 53-man roster and they all three get hurt by week 6, you're going to start 10 weeks of scrubs.







Here's a clarification/discussion point for people. Let's say we're done drafting and training camp starts, and some significant guy on your team goes down with a knee in training camp. For the sake of this discussion, assume it's my team and Mario Williams. My assumption is that I can cut Mario and keep 53 players who will actually play (using someone from my remainder round), or I can keep him and know that he's going to take up a roster spot for the year. For ease of administration, I don't want to mess with having an injured reserve or anything, so I think you either have someone on your 53 or you cut them and lose rights to them - nothing in between. Everyone okay with this?

I really need to re-read the rules on this draft... total news to me, and the K/P thing... new as well. Wasn't totally understanding the "remainder round".

that sounds good to me

and i think updating the op with the rules would help end the confusion

+1

Yeah, we're still kind of breaking ground on some of these things. The remainder round concept showed up somewhere around Post 500 and seemed to be a better system to stack atop the "scrubs" system.

I didn't think about the K/P strategy until just now. You can certainly draft a K and/or P, though. Personally, I'm not sure I'd base my remainder round pick solely upon getting a K or P, but others may prefer that strategy.

That's a really good idea. Maybe I'll do that.

that pick is going to take me forever:doh!:

I think it's going to be very intriguing to hear people's logic about their picks. There are going to be a lot of competing theories about the best way to go.

So, in the remainder round... I could select the Jaguars...

Then, thin out the roster later when it is cut time, just keeping those OL or DL, whatever I want from the Jags, right?

That's just a "catch up" at all positions and I can keep what I want.

Is the remainder round AFTER the rookie draft?

Okay, I made a major rewrite of the rules, including everything that has evolved over time and also some changes that make more sense now as we've evolved. If anyone has an issue with any of the changes, let's discuss it, but I think these are all pretty sensible. We're learning as we go.

Yep on paragraphs 1 through 3.

The remainder round will be BEFORE the rookie draft, because in real life you'd have those players before drafting rookies. (Most of them, anyway.)

As an example, you draft the following 33 players:


QB
D1
D2

HB
D3
D4

FB
(none)

WR
D5
D6
D7

TE
D8

T
D9
D10
D11

G
D12
D13

C
D14

K
D15

P
(none)

FS
D16

SS
D17

CB
D18
D19
D20

OLB
D21
D22
D23

ILB
D24
D25
D26

DE
D27
D28
D29

DT
D30
D31
D32
D33


You then get your "remainder round" team, which will include a lot of guys, but let's say that you get 25 guys there, labeled "V".


QB
D1
D2
V1
V2

HB
D3
D4
V3

FB
V4
V5

WR
D5
D6
D7
V6
V7
V8

TE
D8
V9
V10

T
D9
D10
D11
V11
V12

G
D12
D13
V13

C
D14
V14

K
D15
V15

P
V16

FS
D16
V17
V18

SS
D17
V19

CB
D18
D19
D20
V20

OLB
D21
D22
D23
V21

ILB
D24
D25
D26
V22
V23

DE
D27
D28
D29
V24

DT
D30
D31
D32
D33
V25

Now you draft 7 rookies, labeled R

QB
D1
D2
V1
V2
R5

HB
D3
D4
V3

FB
V4
V5

WR
D5
D6
D7
V6
V7
V8
R3
R4

TE
D8
V9
V10

T
D9
D10
D11
V11
V12
R6

G
D12
D13
V13

C
D14
V14
R7

K
D15
V15

P
V16

FS
D16
V17
V18

SS
D17
V19

CB
D18
D19
D20
V20
R1

OLB
D21
D22
D23
V21

ILB
D24
D25
D26
V22
V23
R2

DE
D27
D28
D29
V24

DT
D30
D31
D32
D33
V25


Now you watch the NFL training camps. Most of your picks do fine, but your D2 QB gets arrested with 90 pounds of heroin, your V6 and D5 WRs both blow a knee, and your R5 QB gets cut in training camp. In the meantime, your unknown V25 DT is destroying guards out of nowhere. At the end of training camp, you look at your potential roster and cut it down to 53. You would expect to keep a lot of your D players, most or all of your R players, and some V players will play themselves onto the team. You decide that you'll keep your D5 WR because he's going to come back, but you'll have to eat up a roster spot to do it. Perhaps then your roster looks like this (53 men):

(By the way, you'll assign kick returners too, so keep that in mind.)

QB
D1
V1
V2
R5 (because you think he'll get picked up eventually)

HB
D3
D4
V3

FB
V4


WR
D5
D6
D7
V8
R3
R4

TE
D8
V9
V10

T
D9
D10
V12
R6

G
D12
D13
V13

C
D14
R7

K
D15

P
V16

FS
D16
V18

SS
D17
V19

CB
D18
D19
D20
V20
R1

OLB
D21
D22
D23

ILB
D24
D25
V22
V23
R2

DE
D27
D28
V24

DT
D30
D31
D32
D33
V25

Team 3B selects Nick Collins, FS. Team 3B also selects Chris Canty, DE, because that's how we roll.

Round 1
1. Fort Wayne Dancers - Peyton Manning, QB
2. Philadelphia Battery Tossers - Matt Ryan, QB
3. Honolulu Hulas - Adrian Peterson, RB
4. Los Angeles Purple Cobras - Chris Johnson, RB
5. KC Kings - Tom Brady, QB
6. San Antonio Scorpions - Michael Turner, RB
7. St. Louis Stallions - Joe Thomas, LT
8. Burlington Blue Barracudas - Larry Fitzgerald, WR
9. Cleveland Steamers - Drew Brees, QB
10. Tucson Tittie Twisters - Calvin Johnson, WR
11. Greenville Marauders - DeAngelo Williams, RB
12. Memphis Malt Liquor - Matt Cassel, QB
13. Chattanooga Choo Choos - Ben Roethlisberger, QB
14. Las Vegas Red Lights - Phillip Rivers, QB
15. St. Louis Commodes - Andre Johnson, WR
16. Bradenton Super-Manatees - Demarcus Ware, OLB
17. Knoxville Kiffins - Patrick Willis, ILB
18. Milwaukee Mud ducks - Shawne "roidman" Merriman
19. Atlantic City Hitmen - Tony Romo, QB

Round 2
19. Atlantic City Hitmen - Brian Westbrook, RB
18. Milwaukee Mud ducks - Ed Reed, FS
17. Knoxville Kiffins - Aaron Rodgers, QB
16. Bradenton Super-Manatees - Mario Williams, DE
15. St. Louis Commodes - Matt Forte, RB
14. Las Vegas Red Lights - Jared Allen, DE
13. Chattanooga Choo Choos - Roddy White, WR
12. Memphis Malt Liquor - Julius Peppers, DE/OLB
11. Greenville Marauders- Jonathan Vilma, LB
10. Tuscon Tittie Twisters- Jay Cutler, QB
9. Cleveland Steamers - Randy Moss, WR
8. Burlington Blue Barracudas - Eli Manning, QB
7. St. Louis Stallions - Jon Beason, ILB
6. San Antonio Scorpions - Mathias Kiawanuka, DE
5. Kansas City Kings - Osi Umenyiora, DE
4. Los Angeles Purple Cobras - James Harrison OLB/DE
3. Honolulu Hulas - Jerrod Mayo MLB
2. Philadelphia Battery Tossers - Haloti Ngata NT
1. Fort Wayne Dancers - Albert Haynesworth DT

Round 3
1. Fort Wayne Dancers - Justin Tuck DE
2. Philadelphia Battery Tossers - Ryan Clady, OT
3. Honolulu Hulas - Joe Flacco, QB
4. Los Angeles Purple Cobras - Terrell Suggs, OLB/DE
5. Kansas City Kings - Vince Wilfork, NT
6. San Antonio Scorpions - Carson Palmer, QB
7. St. Louis Stallions - Greg Jennings, WR
8. Burlington Blue Barracudas - Richard Seymour, DE
9. Cleveland Steamers - LaDainian Tomlinson, RB
10. Tucson Tittie Twisters - Stephen Jackson, RB
11. Greenville Marauders - Chad Pennington, QB
12. Memphis Malt Liquor - Kevin Williams, DT
13. Chattanooga Choo Choos - Nnamdi Asomugha, CB
14. Las Vegas Red Lights - Reggie Wayne, WR
15. St. Louis Commodes- Walter Jones, OT
16. Bradenton Super-Manatees - Jake Long, OT
17. Knoxville Kiffins - Joey Porter, OLB
18. Milwaukee Mud ducks - Marion Barber, HB
19. Atlantic City Hitmen - Troy Polamalu, SS

Round 4.
19. Atlantic City Hitmen - Dwight Freeney, DE
18. Milwaukee Mud ducks - Donovan McNabb, QB
17. Knoxville Kiffins - Brandon Marshall, WR
16. Bradenton Super-Manatees - Darrelle Revis, CB
15. STL Commodes- Brian Urlacher, ILB
14. Las Vegas Red Lights - Reggie Bush, RB/WR/KR/PR
13. Chattanooga Choo Choos - Bob Sanders, SS
12. Memphis Malt Liquor - Anquan Bolden, WR
11. Greenville Marauders - John Abraham, DE
10. Tucson Tittie Twisters - DeMeco Ryans, ILB
9. Cleveland Steamers - Shaun Rogers, DT
8. Burlington Blue Barracudas - Casey Hampton, NT
7. St. Louis Stallions - LaRon Landry, FS
6. San Antonio Scorpions - Branden Albert, OT
5. Kansas City Kings - Braylon Edwards, WR
4. Los Angeles Purple Cobras - Ray Lewis, ILB
3. Honolulu Hulas- Eddie Royal, WR
2. Philadelphia Battery Tossers - Dwayne Bowe, WR
1. Fort Wayne Dancers - Steve Smith, WR

Round 5
1. Fort Wayne Dancers, Marcus Trufant, CB
2. Philadelphia Battery Tossers - Lamarr Woodley, OLB
3. Honolulu Hulas- Antonio Cromartie, CB
4. Los Angeles Purple Cobras - Trent Edwards, QB
5. Kansas City Kings - Micheal Roos, OT
6. San Antonio Scorpions - D'Qwell Jackson, ILB
7. St. Louis Stallions - Aaron Kampman, DE
8. Burlington Blue Barracudas - Karlos Dansby, ILB
9. Cleveland Steamers - Terrell Owens, WR
10. Tucson Tittie Twisters - Marques Colston, WR
11. Greenville Marauders - Wes Welker, WR
12. Memphis Malt Liquor - TJ Houshmandzadeh, WR
13. Chattanooga Choo-Choos - Maurice Jones-Drew, RB
14. Las Vegas Red Lights - Asante Samuel, CB
15. St. Louis Commodes - Chad Ocho Cinco, WR
16. Bradenton Super-Manatees - Champ Bailey, CB
17. Knoxville Kiffins - Charles Woodson, CB
18. Milwaukee Mud ducks - Lee Evans WR
19. Atlantic City Hitmen - Steve Breaston, WR

Round 6.
19. Atlantic City Hitmen - Derrick Johnson, ILB
18. Milwaukee Mud ducks - Anthony Gonzalez WR
17. Knoxville Kiffins - Ted Ginn Jr. Wr
16. Bradenton Super-Manatees - Clinton Portis, HB
15. St. Louis Commodes - Tony Gonzales, TE
14. Las Vegas Red Lights - Jason Peters, OT
13. Chattanooga Choo-Choos - Antonio Gates, TE
12. Memphis Malt Liquors - Brandon Jacobs, RB
11. Greenville Marauders - Michael Griffin, S
10. Tucson Tittie Twisters - Jason Witten, TE
9. Cleveland Steamers- Chris Samuels, OT
8. Burlington Blue Barracudas - Cortland Finnegan, CB
7. St. Louis Stallions - Darnell Dockett, UT
6. San Antonio Scorpions - DeSean Jackson, WR
5. Kansas City Kings - Frank Gore, RB
4. Los Angeles Purple Cobras - John Henderson, DE/DT
3. Honolulu Hulas - Alex Brown, DE
2. Philadelphia Battery Tossers - Jay Ratliff, DE
1. Fort Wayne Dancers - Oshiomogho Atogwe, FS

Round 7
1. Fort Wayne Dancers - Lance Briggs, OLB
2. Philadelphia Battery Tossers - Shaun Phillips, OLB
3. Honolulu Hulas - Santonio Holmes, WR
4. Los Angeles Purple Cobras - Bart Scott, ILB
5. Kansas City Kings - Devin Hester, WR,KR,PR
6. San Antonio Scorpions - Domonique Rodgers-Cromartie, CB
7. St. Louis Stallions - Ronnie Brown, HB
8. Burlington Blue Barramundi - Steve Slaton, HB
9. Cleveland Steamers - Julian Peterson, OLB
10. Tucson Tittie Twisters - Jordan Gross, LT
11. Philadelphia Battery Tossers - Glenn Dorsey, DE
12. Memphis Malt Liquor - Marcus McNeil, LT
13. Chattanooga Choo-Choos - Trent Cole, OLB/DE
14. Las Vegas Red Lights - Leodis McKelvin, CB
15. St. Louis Commodes - Kyle Vanden Bosch, DE
16. Bradenton Super-Manatees - Jammal Brown, OT
17. Knoxville Kiffins - Chris Long, DE
18. Milwaukee Mud Ducks - Robert Mathis, DE
19. Atlantic City Hitmen - Bryant McKinnie ,OT

Round 8
19. Atlantic City Hitmen - Jamal Williams, NT
18. Milwaukee Mud Ducks - Bradie James, ILB
17. Knoxville Kiffins - Shaun Ellis, DE
16. Bradenton Super-Manatees - Tommie Harris, DT
15. St. Louis Commodes - Nick Mangold, C
14. Las Vegas Red Lights - Keith Rivers, LB
13. Chattanooga Choo-Choos - Ty Warren, DT/DE
12. Memphis Malt Liquor - Kris Jenkins, NT
11. Greenville Marauders - Dallas Clark, TE
10. Tucson Tittie Twisters - Rashean Mathis, CB
9. Cleveland Steamer - Flozell Adams, OT
8. St. Louis Stallions - Kellen Winslow, TE
7. St. Louis Stallions - Amobi Okoye, NT
6. Tucson Tittie Twisters - Gaines Adams, DE
5. Kansas City Kings - Barrett Ruud, ILB
4. Los Angeles Purple Cobras - Dustin Keller, TE
3. Chattanooga Choo-Choos - A.J. Hawk, LB (Via Trade with Sully)
2. Greenville Marauders - Andre Goodman, CB
1. Los Angeles Purple Cobras - WR Antonio Bryant (Via Trade with Chiefs=Good)

Round 9
1. Fort Wayne Dancers - DT Marcus Stroud
2. Philadelphia Battery Tossers - Darren McFadden, RB
3. Honolulu Hulas - Ryan Diem, OT
4. Chattanooga Choo-Choos - Ernie Sims, LB (Via Trade with chiefscafan)
5. Tucson Tittie Twisters - Kenny Phillips, FS (Via trade with Kyle DeLexus)
6. San Antonio Scorpions - Chad Greenway, OLB
7. Burlington Blue Barracudas - D'Brickashaw Ferguson, OT
8. Burlington Blue Barracudas - Vincent Jackson, WR
9. Cleveland Steamers - Steve Hutchinson, G
10. Memphis Malt Liquor - Greg Olsen, TE (via trade with Tuscon)
11. Greenville Marauders - Jon Stinchcomb, OT
12. Memphis Malt Liquor - Roy Williams, WR
13. Tucson Tittie Twisters - Thomas Howard, OLB(via trade with CCC)
(14. Las Vegas Red Lights - Will pick when they arrive)
15. St. Louis Commodes - Devery Henderson, WR
16. Bradenton Super-Manatees - Adrian Wilson, SS
17. Knoxville Kiffins - Ryan Grant, RB
18. Philadelphia Battery Tossers - Corey Webster, CB
19. Atlantic City Hitmen - Hines Ward, WR

Round 10
19. Atlantic City Hitmen - DeAngelo Hall, CB
18. Bradenton Super-Manatees (via trade with Milwaukee Mud Ducks) - Chris Snee, G
17. Knoxville Kiffins - (Will pick when they arrive)
16. Los Angeles Purple Cobras - Donald Penn, LT
15. St. Louis Commodes - Jake Delhomme, QB
14. Las Vegas Red Lights - (Will pick when they arrive)
13. Tucson Tittie Twisters - Lofa Tatupu, LB
12. Tucson Tittie Twisters - Sedrick Ellis, DT
11. Greenville Marauders - DJ Williams, OLB
10. Kansas City Kings - Terence Newman, CB (via trade with Tucson for their R10 pick)
9. Memphis Malt Liquor - Matt Schaub, QB (via trade with Steamers for their R10 pick)
8. St. Louis Stallions - Ron Bartell, CB
7. St. Louis Stallions - LeRoy Hill, OLB
6. Memphis Malt Liquor - Kevin Smith, RB
5. Kansas City Kings - David Stewart, RT
4. Memphis Malt Liquor - Kirk Morrison, LB(via trade with Cobras for their original R10 pick)
3. Honolulu Hulas - (Will pick when they arrive)
2. Philadelphia Battery Tossers - Jonathan Stewart, RB
1. Fort Wayne Dancers - David Harris MLB

Round 11
1. Philadelphia Battery Tossers - Kerry Rhodes, S
2. Philadelphia Battery Tossers - Carlos Rogers, CB
3. Honolulu Hulas (will pick when they arrive)
4. Chattanooga Choo Choos - Jared Gaither, LT (via trade with chiefscafan)
5. KC Kings - James Farrior, MLB
6. San Antonio Scorpions - Eric Weddle, FS
7. Burlington Blue Barracudas - Nick Collins, FS
8. Burlington Blue Barracudas - Chris Canty, DE
9. Cleveland Steamers
10. Tucson Tittie Twisters
11. Greenville Marauders
12. Los Angeles Purple Cobras
13. Los Angeles Purple Cobras
14. Las Vegas Red Lights
15. St. Louis Commodes
16. Bradenton Super-Manatees
17. Knoxville Kiffins
18. Milwaukee Mud ducks
19. Atlantic City Hitmen

Round 12
19. Atlantic City Hitmen
18. Milwaukee Mud ducks
17. Knoxville Kiffins
16. Bradenton Super-Manatees
15. St. Louis Commodes
14. Las Vegas Red Lights
13. Chattanooga Choo Choos
12. Memphis Malt Liquor
11. Greenville Marauders
10. Tuscon Tittie Twisters
9. Memphis Malt Liquor
8. Burlington Blue Barracudas
7. St. Louis Stallions
6. Tuscon Tittie Twisters
5. Tuscon Tittie Twisters
4. Chattanooga Choo Choos
3. Honolulu Hulas
2. Philadelphia Battery Tossers
1. Fort Wayne Dancers

Round 13
1. Fort Wayne Dancers
2. Philadelphia Battery Tossers
3. Honolulu Hulas
4. Los Angeles Purple Cobras
5. KC Kings
6. San Antonio Scorpions
7. St. Louis Stallions
8. Burlington Blue Barracudas
9. Cleveland Steamers
10. Memphis Malt Liquor
11. Greenville Marauders
12. Tucson Tittie Twisters
13. Los Angeles Purple Cobras
14. Las Vegas Red Lights
15. St. Louis Commodes
16. Bradenton Super-Manatees
17. Knoxville Kiffins
18. Bradenton Super-Manatees
19. Atlantic City Hitmen

Ok tucsson and pest should be up