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Dave Lane 11-14-2013 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 10187712)
The Chiefs are 9-0.

Alex Smith is far more of a hindrance than an asset. The fact that he's more talented than Cassel is far from praise.

I think the real reason the chiefs are 9-0 is because of the water boy. There's no arguing that. He's solid.

philfree 11-14-2013 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead (Post 10187841)
Wrong.

Homers could not stop sucking off Cassel in 2010.

The difference between Smith and Cassel is simple. Alex Smith runs the offense where Matt Cassel had to have his hand held every play and be told what to do from the sideline. In his one good year in KC Weiss did an excellent job of making sure Matt didn't **** it up. But anytime they tried to let him just do it he shit the bed. Alex Smith does a great job of running the offense and playing within himself at the same time. Stats won't show the difference but the win loss column will. 9-0.

Hammock Parties 11-14-2013 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree (Post 10187878)
Alex Smith does a great job of running the offense

Running it like a ****ing 67 Ford Pinto that hasn't had an oil change in 10,000 miles.

Our offense is pathetic and people say this? :banghead:

Brock 11-14-2013 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead (Post 10187880)
Running it like a ****ing 67 Ford Pinto that hasn't had an oil change in 10,000 miles.

Our offense is pathetic and people say this? :banghead:

SHUT UP 9 AND OH

ViperVisor 11-14-2013 07:10 PM

Cassel was 10-44 on passes 21+

He threw 85 passes down 1-8
11 passes down 9-16

His QB rating plummeted in those times.


Clutch is mostly nonsense that is used in place of an argument with substance.

So I'm gonna say Smith is clutch. But Smith doesn't melt when times are tough. He stays within his game. With a quality team it tends to work out.

O.city 11-14-2013 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead (Post 10187880)
Running it like a ****ing 67 Ford Pinto that hasn't had an oil change in 10,000 miles.

Our offense is pathetic and people say this? :banghead:

And in 2010 when cassel was riding Charles coat tails, some people wrote articles about him being the guy.


It is what it is.

Hammock Parties 11-14-2013 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10187891)
And in 2010 when cassel was riding Charles coat tails, some people wrote articles about him being the guy.

It is what it is.

Indeed. Homers never cease to amaze.

philfree 11-14-2013 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead (Post 10187880)
Running it like a ****ing 67 Ford Pinto that hasn't had an oil change in 10,000 miles.

Our offense is pathetic and people say this? :banghead:

I didn't say our offense didn't need improvement and I didn't say Alex Smith didn't need to play better. We need to improve. Just pointing out the difference between Smith and Cassel since that's what was being discussed.

Hammock Parties 11-14-2013 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree (Post 10187910)
I didn't say our offense didn't need improvement and I didn't say Alex Smith didn't need to play better. We need to improve. Just pointing out the difference between Smith and Cassel since that's what was being discussed.

The only difference is one was playing with a decent defense, the other is playing with the best defense in football.

O.city 11-14-2013 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead (Post 10187913)
The only difference is one was playing with a decent defense, the other is playing with the best defense in football.

The best defense in football?

Is this the same defense that gave up yards and points to all those shitty QB's?

Which is it, I can't tell which side you've flipped to right now.

ViperVisor 11-14-2013 07:34 PM

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I'm not going to be remotely impressed by Mr. Smith until he beats a team that scores more than 17 points. That's fair.
You seem to think Cassel in 2010 was pretty good.
He was 8-0 when the Defense allowed 14 or less.

2-7 in the games over 14.

Smith is 5-0 this year.

Crappy QB opponents downgrade Smith being able to win those games but still are sure the Defense is the best in the NFL after this string of 2nd rate QBs?

Was BUF game a fluke where they didn't touch Tuel and got almost 500 yards put on them?

Hammock Parties 11-14-2013 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ViperVisor (Post 10187948)
You seem to think Cassel in 2010 was pretty good.

He wasn't.

But still better than Alex, which is scary.

BTW, your stat twisting will not work on me, boy.

When the opponent scored 17 or less Cassel was 8-0 in 2010.

Seems familiar to 2013...hmmm....

ViperVisor 11-14-2013 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead (Post 10187961)
He wasn't.

But still better than Alex, which is scary.

BTW, your stat twisting will not work on me, boy.

When the opponent scored 17 or less Cassel was 8-0 in 2010.

Seems familiar to 2013...hmmm....

You forgot this part
2-7 in the games over 14.

Cassel was a failure when any excess amount was put on his shoulders. Smith, for sure, isn't excelling this year. But with the problems up front Smith is at least avoiding the big mistakes.

Down the stretch to win the offense is likely going to need to play better. Smith is a big part of that but like any QB he needs help. And with Smith not being one of the great QBs the margin for error is small.

Hammock Parties 11-14-2013 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ViperVisor (Post 10188021)
You forgot this part
2-7 in the games over 14.

You're just stat twisting.

Cassel didn't lose a single game to a team that scored 17 points or less in 2010.

That's all Alex is doing. Being Mr. 17 Point Stud Wonder Dummy.

Same as Matt.

jspchief 11-14-2013 08:32 PM

Thought this thread might be a good place for this...

http://i.imgur.com/FVpVdpm.jpg

Hammock Parties 11-14-2013 08:57 PM

Just embarrassing.

Fitzpatrick is also at a very decent 12.5 YPC this year....just embarrassing.

Red Dawg 11-14-2013 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead (Post 10188199)
Just embarrassing.

Fitzpatrick is also at a very decent 12.5 YPC this year....just embarrassing.

I am not an Alex lover but how many games has Fitz won? Fitz is a game loser. Alex is not great but he at least has won playoff games and is not a guy that loses them. He can answer the bell when needed. Fitz is just not good.

Red Dawg 11-14-2013 09:33 PM

Reid brought Alex hear for four reasons. He is a leader, knows the offense already, does not throw many int's and is mobile. He better start getting the ball in the end zone or we will have wasted a 9-0 start.

ViperVisor 11-14-2013 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead (Post 10188059)
You're just stat twisting.

Cassel didn't lose a single game to a team that scored 17 points or less in 2010.

That's all Alex is doing. Being Mr. 17 Point Stud Wonder Dummy.

Same as Matt.

The run game seemed a wee bit better in 2010.

Getting 156 a game from RBs vs. 90

He didn't push the ball down the field. He was carried to the redzone on the back of the running game and dinked and dunked a good amount of TD passes. It was a fluke.

The team got 1.29 Passing 1st Downs for every 1 on the ground.
1.68 in 2013. And Smith has ran for 1/4th of those on the ground.

Hammock Parties 11-14-2013 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ViperVisor (Post 10188346)
The run game seemed a wee bit better in 2010.

Getting 156 a game from RBs vs. 90

He didn't push the ball down the field. He was carried to the redzone on the back of the running game and dinked and dunked a good amount of TD passes. It was a fluke.

The team got 1.29 Passing 1st Downs for every 1 on the ground.
1.68 in 2013. And Smith has ran for 1/4th of those on the ground.

I broke down Cassel vs Smith on intermediate passing.

Cassel was superior in every way.

Alex is just an embarrassment to Kansas City.

BigCatDaddy 11-15-2013 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 10187675)
Fitz almost beat the Seahawks in Seattle do they suck? Wilson suck? Pryor is the starter all teams face him. Case lit up the colts do they suck? Luck suck?

Damn. You must be ready to send Kellen Clemmons to the HOF.

Rausch 11-15-2013 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead (Post 10188351)
I broke down Cassel vs Smith on intermediate passing.

Cassel was superior in every way.

You must not have taken arm strength, accuracy, or INT's into account...

htismaqe 11-15-2013 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead (Post 10188199)
Just embarrassing.

Fitzpatrick is also at a very decent 12.5 YPC this year....just embarrassing.

ROFL

Fitzpatrick quite literally loses games all by himself.

You're a parody of yourself.

Marcellus 11-15-2013 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead (Post 5003772)
http://sfo.scout.com/2/789217.html

The 49ers have placed quarterback Alex Smith on injured reserve, which not only ends his 2008 season before it even began, but also could signal the end of Smith’s tumultuous career with the team. Smith may never play another snap for the 49ers, but 14th-year veteran Jamie Martin might. Martin was signed Wednesday to replace Smith on the roster, and he’ll be the team’s No. 3 QB Sunday vs. Seattle.

Smith? His days with the 49ers appear decidedly numbered. He was seen briefly during the team’s open locker room period early Wednesday afternoon, ice attached to his injured right shoulder with bandages, walking towards meeting rooms for the team’s regular 12:30 quarterbacks meeting.

But that’s a place Smith no longer needs to be, and it will be interesting to see if he’ll continue to hang close to the team – some players go on injured reserve and are never seen around the team the rest of the season – because his salary figures practically prohibit Smith being part of the 49ers in 2009 if he is not their starting quarterback.

Coach Mike Nolan made it clear that’s a subject he didn’t want to talk about Wednesday.

Nolan displayed little emotion or sentiment when he announced Smith’s status at the start of his morning media briefing for Seattle week.

“Alex Smith will be placed on IR, he has a shoulder injury,” Nolan said. “I have no specifics about the injury whatsoever. He’ll be on IR, it’s a shoulder injury, and that’s about as far as I’ll go specifically.”

Nolan said he didn’t even know the diagnosis for Smith or whether he is headed for another surgery on the right shoulder that required season-ending surgery after Smith separated the shoulder in Week 4 of last season.

“Nope,” Nolan said. “All I need to know is if he’ll be back on this football team so that I can make an adjustment to our roster. So I don’t have any specifics for you other than that.”

When asked about future plans for Smith, and whether the team might consider letting him go now so that he could begin shaping a career elsewhere, Nolan replied, “I’ll just tell you real clearly, I’m not going to answer any hypothetical questions about what it’s going to be in the future. We’ll cross that bridge when we get there. My focus right now is on Seattle. If you want to talk about Seattle we’ll do it, or otherwise we’re pretty much done.”

Smith appears pretty much done in San Francisco. He is owed a non-guaranteed base salary of $9.625 million in 2009, and if he were on the San Francisco roster next season, he would count $12.292 million against the team's 2009 salary cap.

General manager Scot McCloughan went on record last week saying Smith would have to clearly exhibit that he’s going to be San Francisco’s starting quarterback in 2009 to return next year at those numbers. And now, obviously, Smith won’t have an opportunity to exhibit that in 2008.

“You can’t. You just can’t,” McCloughan said when asked if the 49ers could have Smith return as a backup in 2009 at his current cap figures. “At any position, the amount of money we’re going to invest in him, it’d have to be proven that he is the guy, (when) we get into the offseason, he’s our guy for next year.”

The offseason still is a long way away, and the 49ers wouldn’t have to make a final roster decision on Smith until the end of February. The team is on the hook for Smith’s $2.3 million base salary this season. His cap number for 2008 is $9.916 million. But if he no longer is in the team’s plans, the 49ers can release him as soon as this season is over. He would count $5.3 million against the team’s 2009 cap if he is released.

Then there’s the question of whether Smith would want to come back to the 49ers, where he has been through four offensive coordinators in four years and had a public spat last year with the head coach regarding Smith’s toughness.

Smith declined comment Wednesday. It still has not been decided whether he will undergo surgery to repair a fractured bone in his right shoulder, Smith’s latest injury that came to the forefront when he felt significant pain while making a deep throw at the end of last Friday’s practice session.

Smith had made it through training camp and the preseason without much incident regarding the throwing shoulder that underwent surgery last December to repair three torn ligaments.

Smith is scheduled to make $24.6 million with the 49ers over the next two seasons, and considering Smith’s agent Tom Condon reportedly feels the team has mishandled his client over the past two years, it is unlikely either side would be much interested in renegotiating his contract for Smith to remain in San Francisco.

Smith hasn’t really shown on the field that he deserves to be the No. 1 quarterback here anyway – a role that was handed to him during his first three seasons with the team after San Francisco selected him with the No. 1 overall pick in the 2005 draft. Smith was beaten out for the starting job this summer by journeyman J.T. O’Sullivan, who joined the 49ers as a free agent earlier this year.

Smith has an 11-19 record as San Francisco’s starting quarterback, and in three seasons with the 49ers has completed 54.4 percent of his passes for 4,679 yards with 19 touchdown and 31 interceptions for a career quarterback rating of 63.5.

Shaun Hill, who shared the first-team snaps with Smith during the first week of training camp in July while O’Sullivan watched from the sidelines, said it’s not accurate to label Smith a bust in his time with the 49ers.

“I don’t think he’s a bust at all,” said Hill, who has replaced Smith as O’Sullivan’s backup. “I don’t agree with any of that. Last year with the injuries – and injuries do happen – that’s what hampered him. Trent (Dilfer) and I were so excited last year about what he was going to do that season. He looked so good in the preseason, so good throughout practice, so good in the offseason, even. We were just so excited about what he was going to do. I’m just very sad that this is happening to him again with the injury. Hopefully, they can get it corrected, and he can move on.”

Said running back Frank Gore, who joined the 49ers at the same time as Smith, “I’m sorry to hear about his shoulder and the other stuff that’s out there about he might not come back. I feel sorry for him. He was a great teammate.”

“Was” being the operative word there. The 49ers, it seems, already are thinking and talking about Alex Smith in the past tense.

Great thread for this post. I love cross thread humor.

Hammock Parties 11-15-2013 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 10189080)
You must not have taken arm strength, accuracy, or INT's into account...

Cassel completed intermediate throws at a higher percentage with more TDs and fewer INTs.

Eleazar 11-15-2013 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10187703)
Matt Cassel threw 450 passes in 2010. Alex has already thrown 315.

The comparison is laughable.

What, Andy Reid's offenses are designed around not exposing the QB, are they not? :)

htismaqe 11-15-2013 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead (Post 10189383)
Cassel completed intermediate throws at a higher percentage with more TDs and fewer INTs.

ROFL

threebag 11-15-2013 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead (Post 10189383)
Cassel completed intermediate throws at a higher percentage with more TDs and fewer INTs.

GoCassel

htismaqe 11-15-2013 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 10189395)
What, Andy Reid's offenses are designed around not exposing the QB, are they not? :)

Exactly. LOL

Marcellus 11-15-2013 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 10189395)
What, Andy Reid's offenses are designed around not exposing the QB, are they not? :)

You remember when Clay said if Alex threw more than 24 times a game he couldn't possibly keep his turnovers at the same rate he has the last 2 years?

Rember when he said Smith couldn't win any games throwing more than 24 times a game?

Hammock Parties 11-15-2013 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 10189409)
You remember when Clay said if Alex threw more than 24 times a game he couldn't possibly keep his turnovers at the same rate he has the last 2 years?

Rember when he said Smith couldn't win any games throwing more than 24 times a game?

I never said those things.

Marcellus 11-15-2013 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead (Post 10189413)
I never said those things.

Yea you did. I am not digging through your 50billion posts.

I know what you said. It may not have been those words exact but it was the same thing.

You know it too and you know you were wrong yet again. Thats enough for me.

Messier 11-15-2013 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 10188100)
Thought this thread might be a good place for this...

http://i.imgur.com/FVpVdpm.jpg

Were you listening to what they were saying when comparing the two? They said, although their stats look similar, Fitzpatrick has made costly mistakes that Smith hasn't.

Hammock Parties 11-15-2013 11:27 AM

What I said was that Alex Smith could not maintain the level of efficiency he showed in San Francisco throwing 35 times a game.

That is what has happened.

His completion percentage, TD percentage, yards per attempt/completion, completion percentage and QB rating have taken nosedives.

Rausch 11-15-2013 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead (Post 10189438)
What I said was that Alex Smith could not maintain the level of efficiency he showed in San Francisco throwing 35 times a game.

That is what has happened.

His completion percentage, TD percentage, yards per attempt/completion, completion percentage and QB rating have taken nosedives.

Who else predicted that?

http://wpb.org/wp-content/uploads/si...ler-boring.png

htismaqe 11-15-2013 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead (Post 10189438)
What I said was that Alex Smith could not maintain the level of efficiency he showed in San Francisco throwing 35 times a game.

That is what has happened.

His completion percentage, TD percentage, yards per attempt/completion, completion percentage and QB rating have taken nosedives.

Nosedive?

Smith's career QBR is 79. His QBR this year is 81.

Eleazar 11-15-2013 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 10189429)
Yea you did. I am not digging through your 50billion posts.

You don't need to. Just about everything he says about the quarterback position is proved wrong. He relentlessly pimped Damon Huard, for ***** sake

He makes all his "evaluations" by googling stats and cherrypicking those that show what he wants to show, like yards per completion, eschewing all others.

You do have to do some crazy contortions in attempting to show that the quarterback of the passing attack that is dead last in the NFL is elite, as he does.

duncan_idaho 11-15-2013 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10189452)
Nosedive?

Smith's career QBR is 79. His QBR this year is 81.

One of the most common defenses of Alex Smith was to point to his good QB ratings in San Francisco the past two years. (90.7 and 104.1) as how efficient he could be.

When Clay and others talked about him not being able to perform at the same level when asked to throw more, this is the "Level" to which he was being compared, not his career QBR.

duncan_idaho 11-15-2013 11:39 AM

Here's yet another All-22 breakdown of Alex Smith in which the reviewer mentions how All-22 makes it evident how many open throws Alex Smith avoids.

Just for fun.

htismaqe 11-15-2013 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10189472)
One of the most common defenses of Alex Smith was to point to his good QB ratings in San Francisco the past two years. (90.7 and 104.1) as how efficient he could be.

When Clay and others talked about him not being able to perform at the same level when asked to throw more, this is the "Level" to which he was being compared, not his career QBR.

Well it's pretty obvious that last year's QBR was an aberration. Not sure why anybody would expect him to suddenly turn into Joe Montana.

Of course, it doesn't' diminish the fact at all that comparing him to Matt Cassel is ****ing hilariously stupid.

Marcellus 11-15-2013 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10189472)
One of the most common defenses of Alex Smith was to point to his good QB ratings in San Francisco the past two years. (90.7 and 104.1) as how efficient he could be.

When Clay and others talked about him not being able to perform at the same level when asked to throw more, this is the "Level" to which he was being compared, not his career QBR.

Clay actually used specific numbers of throws etc...and said we couldn't win nor could he keep his turnover rate down.

Also when people talk about how is playing they continually say he cant improve because he is at his "career" average now so why would I expect he could play better. They aren't discussing his drop off from 2010 and 2011. Believe me I have been part of the conversations all week.

In other words it gets flipped to whatever suits your argument.

Rausch 11-15-2013 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10189478)
Here's yet another All-22 breakdown of Alex Smith in which the reviewer mentions how All-22 makes it evident how many open throws Alex Smith avoids.

Just for fun.

Alex is the perfect example of that rare boxer that has everything he needs to win other than that instinct to let go when he's got the other guy hurt.

I bet I've watched a 1,000 fights (between MMA and Boxing) and the most frustrating thing ever is a super talented guy who has someone dazed and is too afraid to finish...

duncan_idaho 11-15-2013 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 10189481)
Clay actually used specific numbers of throws etc...and said we couldn't win nor could he keep his turnover rate down.

Also when people talk about how is playing they continually say he cant improve because he is at his "career" average now so why would I expect he could play better. They aren't discussing his drop off from 2010 and 2011. Believe me I have been part of the conversations all week.

In other words it gets flipped to whatever suits your argument.

Fair enough, and I haven't been involved in all the arguments this week. Not defending Clay's stance necessarily... just the stance that many (myself included) held before the season.

That Smith's efficiency was unlikely to hold up when asked to do more. That has been proven true, so far.

You could probably get 2011 and 2012 production from Smith again if you set up the same environment (low attempts, run-heavy offense) that Smith played in out there. But that's not something any of us should expect to see from Andy Reid any time soon.

duncan_idaho 11-15-2013 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 10189490)
Alex is the perfect example of that rare boxer that has everything he needs to win other than that instinct to let go when he's got the other guy hurt.

I bet I've watched a 1,000 fights (between MMA and Boxing) and the most frustrating thing ever is a super talented guy who has someone dazed and is too afraid to finish...

Yes. watching him, I understand what Andy Reid saw when he was drooling over him and made him a target.

He CAN make all the throws and plays, physically. He's just not going to do it. Not part of his makeup.

Rausch 11-15-2013 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10189495)
Yes. watching him, I understand what Andy Reid saw when he was drooling over him and made him a target.

He CAN make all the throws and plays, physically. He's just not going to do it. Not part of his makeup.

Exactly.

When Andy told him to "swing away Merril, swing away" I was very a-feared.

Now I see it wasn't team related, system related, it's ****ing INGRAINED in his ****ing DNA that avoiding a mistake is more important than making a play...

Hammock Parties 11-15-2013 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10189452)
Nosedive?

Smith's career QBR is 79. His QBR this year is 81.

Nosedive from his fake San Francisco bullshit days.

But you are right. He has reverted to form. To the QB he's always been...mister below average dyingly sad....

ChiefsCountry 11-15-2013 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10189495)
Yes. watching him, I understand what Andy Reid saw when he was drooling over him and made him a target.

He CAN make all the throws and plays, physically. He's just not going to do it. Not part of his makeup.

Yep. Alex Smith should be a top 5 quarterback in the league. He is just a scared pussy throwing the ball which is why he around #20 in the league instead of the top.

Jakemall 11-15-2013 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10189494)
Fair enough, and I haven't been involved in all the arguments this week. Not defending Clay's stance necessarily... just the stance that many (myself included) held before the season.

That Smith's efficiency was unlikely to hold up when asked to do more. That has been proven true, so far.

You could probably get 2011 and 2012 production from Smith again if you set up the same environment (low attempts, run-heavy offense) that Smith played in out there. But that's not something any of us should expect to see from Andy Reid any time soon.

He also has been asked to do more with less. I don't think he's done a horrible job. I don't think reasonable person had expectations that he was going to repeat last year's stats. That said, I did expect a little more. We'll see..season isn't over.

htismaqe 11-15-2013 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead (Post 10189625)
Nosedive from his fake San Francisco bullshit days.

But you are right. He has reverted to form. To the QB he's always been...mister below average dyingly sad....

And yet he's STILL not Matt Cassel.

duncan_idaho 11-15-2013 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Jakemall (Post 10189761)
He also has been asked to do more with less. I don't think he's done a horrible job. I don't think reasonable person had expectations that he was going to repeat last year's stats. That said, I did expect a little more. We'll see..season isn't over.

More with less? On the OL, sure.

But talent at the skill positions is at least comparable, if not better. Bowe is the best individual WR he has played with. Charles is better than Gore, though Gore is a good back.

TE play is obviously not good. Avery is also not a BAD No. 2 WR, compared to what Smith has had to work with.

If you don't think this is a horrible job, what is? Alex Smith is in the last third in the NFL in every individual stat that matters except for INTs thrown.

Hammock Parties 11-15-2013 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10189811)
And yet he's STILL not Matt Cassel.

Six of one, half a dozen of the other.

Jakemall 11-15-2013 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10189841)
More with less? On the OL, sure.

But talent at the skill positions is at least comparable, if not better. Bowe is the best individual WR he has played with. Charles is better than Gore, though Gore is a good back.

TE play is obviously not good. Avery is also not a BAD No. 2 WR, compared to what Smith has had to work with.

If you don't think this is a horrible job, what is? Alex Smith is in the last third in the NFL in every individual stat that matters except for INTs thrown.


Oline is more important than the receivers IMO...with that said...

Bowe is obviously as good as Crabtree...maybe better..not sure... But I don't know if I'd put Avery on the same level as Manningham...but McCluster is better than anyone else that was on the 9er WR core. There's certainly no one who could replace VD. In SF, Vernon was Alex's #2 receiver. Don't forget he had Delanie Walker over there too. There's no one in KC that come close to either of those guys. I would agree that Charles is better than Gore.

Overall..yes he has less...much less.

Horrible would mean to me that he was losing games for the team..he's not.

duncan_idaho 11-15-2013 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jakemall (Post 10190280)
Oline is more important than the receivers IMO...with that said...

Bowe is obviously as good as Crabtree...maybe better..not sure... But I don't know if I'd put Avery on the same level as Manningham...but McCluster is better than anyone else that was on the 9er WR core. There's certainly no one who could replace VD. In SF, Vernon was Alex's #2 receiver. Don't forget he had Delanie Walker over there too. There's no one in KC that come close to either of those guys. I would agree that Charles is better than Gore.

Overall..yes he has less...much less.

Horrible would mean to me that he was losing games for the team..he's not.

I'd call the skill talent basically a wash, possibly with a slight edge to this Chiefs group based on having a better primary WR and a better RB, with at least the 2011 49ers. (Better at No. 1 WR, worse at No. 2, better at No. 3, worse at TE, better at RB).

The OL isn't as good, but the playmakers he has around him are good enough.

JENKINSWINS 11-15-2013 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10190458)
I'd call the skill talent basically a wash, possibly with a slight edge to this Chiefs group based on having a better primary WR and a better RB, with at least the 2011 49ers. (Better at No. 1 WR, worse at No. 2, better at No. 3, worse at TE, better at RB).

The OL isn't as good, but the playmakers he has around him are good enough.

The 49ers are in year 3 under Harbaugh and Co., this is year 1 for KC under Reid and Co... So the edge definitely goes to the 49ers. End of argument.

Easy 6 11-15-2013 05:27 PM

From certain posts the last two days and my own intuition i just know... some people here reeeally HATE the fact that Htis is being rational and reasonable about the issue, instead of piling on with a bunch of irrational crap.

HAHA LMAO

duncan_idaho 11-15-2013 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by scott free (Post 10190487)
From certain posts the last two days and my own intuition i just know... some people here reeeally HATE the fact that Htis is being rational and reasonable about the issue, instead of piling on with a bunch of irrational crap.

HAHA LMAO

I'm just happy to see him posting a lot. Makes this old-school CP member happy. It seems like all is right with the world with htis posting frequently.

My internet persona and posting style is heavily modeled on htismaqe and our old, dear friend Jim/Vlad.

SAUTO 11-15-2013 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead (Post 10187880)
Running it like a ****ing 67 Ford Pinto that hasn't had an oil change in 10,000 miles.

Our offense is pathetic and people say this? :banghead:

They didn't make a ****ing 67 pinto
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SAUTO 11-15-2013 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 10189481)
Clay actually used specific numbers of throws etc...and said we couldn't win nor could he keep his turnover rate down.

Also when people talk about how is playing they continually say he cant improve because he is at his "career" average now so why would I expect he could play better. They aren't discussing his drop off from 2010 and 2011. Believe me I have been part of the conversations all week.

In other words it gets flipped to whatever suits your argument.

I haven't flipped anything. He's playing to his career averages.
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SAUTO 11-15-2013 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by scott free (Post 10190487)
From certain posts the last two days and my own intuition i just know... some people here reeeally HATE the fact that Htis is being rational and reasonable about the issue, instead of piling on with a bunch of irrational crap.

HAHA LMAO

I like htis quite a bit but we all need to remember what he did when the trade and draft went down.

He was done, remember?


But I am glad he's back.
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Sweet Daddy Hate 11-15-2013 05:57 PM

Can someone PLEASE regale me with more stories of Vernon Davis!

Easy 6 11-15-2013 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 10190538)
I like htis quite a bit but we all need to remember what he did when the trade and draft went down.

He was done, remember?


But I am glad he's back.
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Oh yeah, i remember... but what he's done is a thing we've heard a lot in the news the last 10 years in regard to the wars...

He adjusted to the facts on the ground.

But i'm also glad he's back, i hate it when well known, respected posters just split.

ShowtimeSBMVP 11-15-2013 06:02 PM

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SAUTO 11-15-2013 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by scott free (Post 10190543)
Oh yeah, i remember... but what he's done is a thing we've heard a lot in the news the last 10 years in regard to the wars...

He adjusted to the facts on the ground.

But i'm also glad he's back, i hate it when well known, respected posters just split.

Good way of putting it.

wish I had thought of that yesterday with Marcy
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notorious 11-15-2013 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10189811)
And yet he's STILL not Matt Cassel.

Uh-Oh.


You got caught up. Run away as fast as you can!

Easy 6 11-15-2013 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 10190548)
Good way of putting it.

wish I had thought of that yesterday with Marcy
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Got me on that one, who's Marcy?

SAUTO 11-15-2013 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by scott free (Post 10190554)
Got me on that one, who's Marcy?

Lmao marcellus
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New World Order 11-15-2013 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 10189457)
You don't need to. Just about everything he says about the quarterback position is proved wrong. He relentlessly pimped Damon Huard, for ***** sake

He makes all his "evaluations" by googling stats and cherrypicking those that show what he wants to show, like yards per completion, eschewing all others.

You do have to do some crazy contortions in attempting to show that the quarterback of the passing attack that is dead last in the NFL is elite, as he does.



You will get your chance on Sunday to prove Alex's worth.

Easy 6 11-15-2013 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 10190556)
Lmao marcellus
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Marcy LMAO, i bet he loves that nickname...

duncan_idaho 11-15-2013 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by scott free (Post 10190561)
Marcy LMAO, i bet he loves that nickname...

He's smells sex and candy here.

Easy 6 11-15-2013 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10190563)
He's smells sex and candy here.

Whos that castin' devious stares in my direction...

Sweet Daddy Hate 11-15-2013 06:39 PM

Mama...

this surely is a dream.

God I hated that ****ing song.

Eleazar 11-15-2013 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 10190559)
You will get your chance on Sunday to prove Alex's worth.

His worth will be proved out over his entire career as a Chief, and how far he takes the team in the postseason over that span.

Pasta Little Brioni 11-15-2013 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate (Post 10190598)
Mama...

this surely is a dream.

God I hated that ****ing song.

It's AWFUL

ayleswbj 11-16-2013 04:03 AM

I think the TD's will come, but i said a few weeks ago you will start seeing the accurate passer that he is and in his last 3 games he is hovering around 66% completions. He is grasping the offense much better than earlier in the season. I admit i thought he would be around 15 TDs by now. Its also clear that KC has terrible recievers, Bowe looks absolutely like an old shot boxer out there. It looks like he signed a shoe contract with a cement company. People say hes getting open but hes not, hes just not. Slow Slow Slow. Avery is what he is. A decent 3 whos trying to play a 2. Fasano is not a upper tier TE and mcluster, he has enough years and body of work to realize he just isnt the player everyone though he would be. Alex is improving each week with accuracy which leads me to believe the TDs will follow. hopefully. Would love to see him 10-0, in the playoffs and Arrowhead stadium rockin with there awesome fans.

ayleswbj 11-16-2013 04:05 AM

I think the TD's will come, but i said a few weeks ago you will start seeing the accurate passer that he is and in his last 3 games he is hovering around 66% completions. He is grasping the offense much better than earlier in the season. I admit i thought he would be around 15 TDs by now. Its also clear that KC has terrible recievers, Bowe looks absolutely like an old shot boxer out there. It looks like he signed a shoe contract with a cement company. People say hes getting open but hes not, hes just not. Slow Slow Slow. Avery is what he is. A decent 3 whos trying to play a 2. Fasano is not a upper tier TE and mcluster, he has enough years and body of work to realize he just isnt the player everyone though he would be. Alex is improving each week with accuracy which leads me to believe the TDs will follow. hopefully. Would love to see him 10-0, in the playoffs and Arrowhead stadium rockin with there awesome fans.

AussieChiefsFan 11-16-2013 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 10190545)

ROFL

whoman69 11-16-2013 10:29 AM

Alex is just pacing himself, like the athlete who doesn't have sex before a game, or in his case, ever.

Jakemall 11-16-2013 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10190458)
I'd call the skill talent basically a wash, possibly with a slight edge to this Chiefs group based on having a better primary WR and a better RB, with at least the 2011 49ers. (Better at No. 1 WR, worse at No. 2, better at No. 3, worse at TE, better at RB).

The OL isn't as good, but the playmakers he has around him are good enough.

I don't really agree...

While I might agree that Bowe is better than Crabtree and that Charles is better than Gore...the margins are very small in my opinion.

The margin at TE is not small. It's huge...and there were two of them (Vernon and Delanie). That's an extra ELITE target on the field every passing down (and they were better blockers too)...and you can't dismiss that.

duncan_idaho 11-16-2013 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Jakemall (Post 10191542)
I don't really agree...

While I might agree that Bowe is better than Crabtree and that Charles is better than Gore...the margins are very small in my opinion.

The margin at TE is not small. It's huge...and there were two of them (Vernon and Delanie). That's an extra ELITE target on the field every passing down (and they were better blockers too)...and you can't dismiss that.

Did you just call Delanie Walker an elite target?

Bowe is better than Crabtree, and I wouldn't argue that margin is huge.

But Jamaal Charles vs. Gore? Yeah, that's a pretty big margin, IMO. You're talking about the guy who came into this season as the NFL leader in YPC - career. A guy who ran for 1500 yards a year ago when everyone knew he was the only thing that could potentially hurt them.

Gore is a good NFL back, but he's not in that territory.

ViperVisor 11-16-2013 12:28 PM

Delanie Walker is a mismatch.

I called his big game on Thursday. I know Walker and I know the Colts LBs.

Was always fast but his size made him a tweener.

Anthony Fasano was quicker in the agility drills than Walker.

Also not natural hands. Last year he dropped 20-30% of passes that could of been caught.

Also bit of a dum-dum so he's slow to pick up the nuances of the game.

Last year he had 8 or 9 drops to go with 21 catches.
This year 1 drop, 39 catches.

One of the best comical moments last year were the whiny twats on a 49ers board complaining Smith actually threw a pass too hard. And that is why Delanie dropped it.


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