That is where becoming a borderline alcoholic comes in. I know a few who have used a very strict diet, lack of exercise and lots of alcohol over a two week period to get their levels from well within normal range to below 200.

Or just get it checked after taking a steroid for a few weeks.

If willing to use steroids why go to a clinic until you are ready to get off juice?

That works too. There were some extremely potent pro-hormones available OTC at GNC a few years ago.. Halodrol & Superdrol come to mind, there were probably a few others. Anyway, where I'm going with this is that your best bet for TRT is to either show up in the 'low' range on a blood test, or take a chance at any 'Anti-Aging' clinic. Your chances are pretty good if you are >30.

Remember that TRT doses are supposed to bring you into what is considered 'normal range'. They may try gels, pellets and other topical ointments, but what you really want is self administered injection. That's the only stuff that works IMO. The injections actually put you into an above-average range, where you will really see & feel results.

Good point. This is where the whole 'blast & cruise' concept comes in, where guys do periods of higher dose followed by lower TRT dose matching that same amount of time. My insurance did not cover TRT, so for me its cheaper to source my own and just follow up with my primary care physician every 3 months to make sure blood results are on track. I'm not sure what prices are now, but I think my buddy said he pays $10 co-pay for 10ML bottle of Test Cypionate 200Mg/ML, but without insurance it would have between $160-180. Probably depends on the Doc/Clinic though.

Just got back from my Monday morning weigh-in...down another 5 pounds to 372. Lots of work to go, but encouraged by the progress.

My stationary bike at home took a dump this morning, gonna take it apart and try to get it going again.

That's great! How often are you weighing in?

Once a week. I go to the same scale at the GNC at the same time. I'm a creature of habit. :D

That is definitely encouraging! I weigh in on the scale in the locker room at my gym every Wednesday before my personal training session. Keep up the good work, and I hope you're able to get your bike fixed.

So, you're saying that because everyone does it, it's okay? Then why have testing at all? How are you on Barry Bonds, Mark McGuire and Roger Clemons for the Hall of Fame? How you feel about the shit that Armstrong just went through? Are you writing letters to Selig telling him to reinstate Alex Rodiguez? I'm assuming you are on their side, correct?

And just because a doctor prescribes it doesn't make it cool, especially if you are using that prescription for something other than what it was originally intended. Being over 30 and using that as an excuse for doing a "legal" T-stack so you can look good and get big lifts working out versus actually needing it because of unnaturally low occurring testosterone levels is two completely different things. And, yeah, the doctor doesn't really give a rats ass either way as long as he's getting his comps from the pharmaceutical companies. Viagra anyone? Just because you got it from a guy in a lab coat versus some sweaty swole dude's fanny pack in the gym locker room doesn't make it different if you are using for the exact same purpose.

Live Strong bro.

Bingo.

If they are willing to take a chance, and get caught, that's their choice. You live with the consequences of your actions. If i had gotten caught in college, I would deal with the actions I took. The reasons were not because everyone was doing them, but rather because I wanted and needed to be biggest/fastest/strongest version of myself at that time. The same reason your previously mentioned athletes used. You can call it weak, pussy, fake or whatever the **** else you want to, I have no issues with it.

I qualified for low T and if you think that TRT level doses will give you 'big' lifts and 'look mad good', then you are way, way off, my friend. It's not nearly enough to get you 'swole', just gets you to the normal range or slightly above.

So, as I've said, my workouts consist of split circuit weight training to start, and then cardio intervals to finish. Occasionally with a couple of core items thrown in between. I love to row. It's something that I'm constantly pushing myself to do better on. My trainer knows this, so he has me rowing three out of the five days he plans. I also do treadmill incline intervals two of the five, and prowler two of the five. I'm really looking forward to this week.

Rowing days:

4 intervals of 400m with 1 minute rests
(after treadmill incline intervals) 2 intervals of 400m with a 1 minute rest
3 intervals of 500m with 1 minute rests

Also, my prowler days (keep in mind these are for endurance, and not strength):

1 set of 10 rounds (up pushing tall side and back pushing low side), no weight added, sprinting (I usually really start to feel it at about round 5...lol)
(after treadmill incline intervals) 2 sets of 3 rounds with 15s on each side (no walking allowed) with a 45 second rest

Plus, I'm back up to endurance reps for my weight training (3/15 in most cases). Definitely going to leave the gym sweaty this week! I love it!

Bench MONDAY!!! Get SOME!!!!

Bench - 4x6
Incline bench - 4x6
DB chest flies - 4x8
Machine chest flies - 4x8
Overhead tricep extensions - 4x8
Laying front shoulder raise - 4x8

I've also been skipping leg day like a punk for the last couple of weeks while I train for Warrior Dash. It's just a 5k but my friends and I are super competitive with it and the soreness associated with leg day ****s up my running training. Two more weeks and it's back to the squat rack.

Don't you think that there is a reason that they test for it and subsequently impose penalties on it's usage?

Apparently, the "biggest/fastest/strongest version of myself at that time" naturally wasn't good enough. So you doped.

That's fake.

I admire you for telling like it is, but it's cheating nonetheless.


And the whole "you ain't cheating unless you get caught" thing?...:
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Riiiight. That's why you are posting vids of you deadlifting 500+ lbs.

I'm thinking it's "illegal" if you're competing? If you're not competing, and it's not going to land you in jail, then what's morally wrong with it? You choose not to, but another guys chooses to. Who cares?