Sure. But the success of 1 Billichik, or the chance of it, rules out anything else. Besides, Saunders is no Gailey - not now - not ever.

Exactly what needs to happen IMO.

How do you know? If Saunders gives us the chance at "one Belichek" Ferentz or Stoops gives us the CHANCE at "one Jimmy Johnson".

In the end, that's all it is -- a chance.

And for me, I prefer to take that chance with a fresh start.

Htismaqe,

You're missing the point. The reason I listed the other coaches (Fassel, Billick, etc) was to prove YOUR point that other coaches have gone onto become head coaches after leading the league in offensive or defensive categories, yet ARE successful. In addition, the Dallas Cowboys under Landry, Pittburgh under Cowher and Noll, SF under Walsh, Siefert & Mariucci were continously successful because they NEVER changed systems! It was just a matter of plugging in the right player, not rebuilding every few years. The same could be said for Parcell's system & coaches and ESPECIALLY Belichick's system in NE. Great scheme, never changes, plug in players. That's what the Chiefs need to do to continue their offensive success.

In addition, comparing Al Saunder's head coaching past to Gunther's is WEAK. Saunders took over in mid-season, a team that was flailing in the wind and didn't have ANY success for another 6 years after he left. Also, to compare intellectually, Saunders to Gunther is stupid as well. Saunders graduated from Stanford and has a Master's degree in Psychology. I'd be surprised if Gunther even graduated from high school (though he's probably got a GED). Anyway, there's no way in the world that you can compare a coaching job from almost 20 years ago to the coaching job he would do today. I'm sure that like all of us, he's learned quite bit in the past 20 years.

Dane

Yea good one. It's real hard to understand, "Saunders will be a head coach in this league...Just not here." And "he's a Vermeil clone, therefore he would be no different than when Gun took over for Shottenheimer."

Get real.

Nope, he's a Martz.

I'm not missing the point. We obviously have different definitions of the word "success". Anything less than the Super Bowl is not success. Sorry.

You're manufacturing continuity when there was none in both Pittsburgh and Dallas. From Landry to Johnson they turned over the entire staff. From Noll to Cowher, they turned over the entire staff. Cowher was a Marty assistant in both Cleveland and KC and never worked with Noll. Johnson came to Dallas from the University of Miami.

In San Francisco, they had continuity from Walsh to Siefert 1) because Walsh stayed on with the team as a consultant and 2) because they had great players that happened to be there during the transition. I don't consider Steve Mariucci "successful" in any definition of the word.

I could care less about IQ, degrees, or any of the rest. Gunther is regarded as one of the best defensive minds in the game. Saunders is regarded as one of the best offensive minds in the game. In general, those types of people make better coordinators than head coaches.

Doubtful.

The only person who might have bungled away more talent was Switzer, and even he was able to win a ring with JJ's roster.

Marts is the most knowledgable HC to ever be that terrible...

That would be a great point, IF I had said that.

Of course, I didn't.

Uh...of course they're unproven, that goes without saying- no team in the league has a suite of starters sitting in the bench..and yes, injuries may happen, again, that's a given...the point is: it is not a given that we have to "start over" or "blow the team up"...I've seen nothing from AS that would suggest he's myopic like Martz...other than people like you comparing him to Martz for no reason I can figure out...would AS leave in his QB after suffering a concussion?...Martz is just an idiot

p.s.

you're the one who pimps Fox anyways...lol

Wow...fretting over 2006 already? No thanks, I'll enjoy this season first.

I think this one may be a record, Parker. ;)

I didn't compare Saunders to Martz in any way other than to suggest both were very good coordinators, considered by most to be the best.

I've never suggested Saunders is anything like Martz. However, that doesn't mean I think he can be successful.

It's not a given that we have to "blow up the team", you're right. However, it's a statistical probability in today's NFL. Look at the examples where continuity has been SUCCESSFUL by hiring a coordinator and now look what those teams had in terms of turnover of PLAYERS. That's not a luxury that exists in this age of parity.

C'mon Titus - you know this season is already over

Damn...I musta missed that one! Im slipping...

ok, I'll GO read a BOOK of statistics and figure out WHY we don't have THE luxury of HIRING a good coach...and MAYBE it will tell me what IT means to randomly CAPITALIZE words... :)

te bottom line is you don't want AS to be the next coach and others do, that's fine...but it has nothing to do with statistics or any other pseudo-rational approaches...