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alanm 09-18-2008 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan (Post 5031716)
You're right. I didn't even think that part of it through. I still believe that 4+ billion barrels from the area outside 50 miles offshore is more than a drop in the bucket. I wonder how much more is available inside that 50 miles.

I've heard estimates that over 80% of known oil deposits are within 50 miles. It would seem that the dems are playing games again with no intention of doing anything and hoping it all just goes away.

Donger 09-18-2008 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan (Post 5031716)
You're right. I didn't even think that part of it through. I still believe that 4+ billion barrels from the area outside 50 miles offshore is more than a drop in the bucket. I wonder how much more is available inside that 50 miles.

MMS estimates 76 billion barrels of crude and 400+ trillion CF of NG are recoverable on our OCS.

To put that in perspective, we use about 20 million barrels/day. More than 60% of that is imported. In other words, we could supply our demand for 10 years with no imports.

Lzen 09-18-2008 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by penguinz (Post 5031534)
There are a lot more than one million cars in the US. This makes that stat really stupid.

Okay, how about this? All the cars and trucks in America for 1 year.

HC_Chief 09-18-2008 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 5031774)
MMS estimates 76 billion barrels of crude and 400+ trillion CF of NG are recoverable on our OCS.

To put that in perspective, we use about 20 million barrels/day. More than 60% of that is imported. In other words, we could supply our demand for 10 years with no imports.

About long enough to perfect alternatives e.g. all electric, hydrogen fuel-cells, hydrogen, et al.

Donger 09-18-2008 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by HC_Chief (Post 5031816)
About long enough to perfect alternatives e.g. all electric, hydrogen fuel-cells, hydrogen, et al.

Yep. Or 20+ if we continue to import. It's a massive amount, regardless of what Hamas "thinks."

Calcountry 09-18-2008 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5030781)
Offshore drilling won't reap any rewards for a *****ing decade. It's a false panacea.

You really are a tool of the left, did you know that? Have you even read any articles about one of the most important resources known to man? Do you own a vehicle, use some form of gas to heat your home?

Where do you think the shit comes from man?

In the meantime, the Russians are activly trying to take control of the Arctic so they can drill more and more.

The Chinese want to drill off of Flordia's coast, they don't have enviro nazis holding their balls to the floor. BTW, how do you like the Chinese efforts at curbing global warming? Their country spews more waste into the environent than any other country on the globe? WTF?

Calcountry 09-18-2008 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5030793)
You are talking about a drop in the bucket ten years down the road. It is such a small amount that even a miniscule increase in fuel economy standards would far outpace anything that you would gain from offshore drilling. Even T. Boone Pickens has said it's a farce, which is like Herm Edwards telling you that you are running the ball too much.

Please, stick to football. Infrastructure already exists in the Gulf, that would reduce the "drill to market" timeframe on drilling of Florida. California already has infrastructure in place by Santa Barbara that would also reduce the total time, so, frankly you don't know what the fug you are talking about. Furthermore, If we would have started drilling in Anwar, when the bill originally came up for a vote under Bill Clinton, we would have the oil online RIGHT NOW, making a difference, 10 years ago.

It is like running cross country 10 mile race, something I use to do back in the day. Saying we shouldn't start drilling because we won't see any for 10 years is like saying, oh, SHIT, 10 miles is a long way to run, I shouldn't even take the first step, becuase it is going to be a long time before I get there. What a bunch of absolutely STUPID talking point BULLSHIT.

Calcountry 09-18-2008 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by alanm (Post 5031477)
T Boone has a wind driven agenda he's trying to peddle.

T Bone, is smart. He realizes that their are a bunch of tree hugging idiots in this country and it is of no use to try to talk to them about the realities of an industrial society, so he talks a green game to get what he wants, more money from his businesses.


Just like PG&E does out here. They run PSA's touting peoples desire to "make a difference on global warming" by conserving energy, all the while, knowing that if people conserve, they can supply them without building more power plants, thus enhancing their profits greatly. NTTIAWWT, but do you believe that PG&E actually believes in global warming?

It's the height of hypocrisy.

jjchieffan 09-18-2008 02:15 PM

Here is another excert from the article

Pelosi's bill keeps the federal prohibition on energy production in place for the first 50 miles. It gives the states the option of opening up from 50 to 100 miles for exploration, but does not offer revenue sharing, depriving states like Virginia the incentive to actually opt in," said Drake.

"Since 88 percent of the known oil and natural gas reserves are inside 50 miles and portions of the OCS [outer continental shelf] beyond 100 miles production may not be economically viable, almost 88 percent of our natural resources would be permanently locked away," she said.

Programmer 09-18-2008 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan (Post 5032087)
Here is another excert from the article

Pelosi's bill keeps the federal prohibition on energy production in place for the first 50 miles. It gives the states the option of opening up from 50 to 100 miles for exploration, but does not offer revenue sharing, depriving states like Virginia the incentive to actually opt in," said Drake.

"Since 88 percent of the known oil and natural gas reserves are inside 50 miles and portions of the OCS [outer continental shelf] beyond 100 miles production may not be economically viable, almost 88 percent of our natural resources would be permanently locked away," she said.

Can anyone tell me why she wants to lock away 88% of our natural resources?

jjchieffan 09-18-2008 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Programmer (Post 5032101)
Can anyone tell me why she wants to lock away 88% of our natural resources?

I think Rush would say because she is an "environmentalist wacko" :ROFL:

Programmer 09-18-2008 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan (Post 5032149)
I think Rush would say because she is an "environmentalist wacko" :ROFL:

I considered that as a given: California - San Francisco - Whacko

Kind of redundant.

Simply Red 09-18-2008 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Programmer (Post 5032173)
I considered that as a given: California - San Francisco - Whacko

Kind of redundant.

Do you like Michael Savage?

Programmer 09-18-2008 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 5032406)
Do you like Michael Savage?

Who is Michael Savage?

Mizzou_8541 09-18-2008 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by bunnytrdr (Post 5031879)
T Bone, is smart. He realizes that their are a bunch of tree hugging idiots in this country and it is of no use to try to talk to them about the realities of an industrial society, so he talks a green game to get what he wants, more money from his businesses.


Just like PG&E does out here. They run PSA's touting peoples desire to "make a difference on global warming" by conserving energy, all the while, knowing that if people conserve, they can supply them without building more power plants, thus enhancing their profits greatly. NTTIAWWT, but do you believe that PG&E actually believes in global warming?

It's the height of hypocrisy.

What does NTTIAWWT mean?


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