Remember when the Chiefs had Willie Roaf at LT and John Tait at RT. I know we didn't draft Roaf, but in 2003 we were 13-3 and had a first round bye with those two guys. I am sure there are more examples but that's off the top of my head.

There are so many examples of teams that can win consistently without HOF or top drafted QBs. They aren't as necessary to winning as Defense is. So I say you focus on making a great defense. You know the trend with TEs, theres so many good ones now, Gates, Winslow, Gonzalez. They have changed the position, you don't think a coverage LB isn't going to be helpful?

HEre's my positon chart:

DE, OT, DT, G/C, QB, LB, S, WR, CB, HB, TE, FB, K/P.

You get great big guys up front and it makes everyone else better.

NE's passing game set up the rushing game, not vice-versa, though. And its the principle of the matter.

Remind me of a team that didn't win a playoff game...and had 1 great regular season...great strategy.

You think of guards and centers way to highly...they are not the 2nd most important position on offense that is absurd.

Yeah Randy Moss helps a ton, but I think the Offensive line is the most important aspect of New Englands Success. They can keep their QB upright. And if they want to try to run the ball they can do it well. Their D wasn't great this year, but it was solid. Point is, Brady goes down and they plug in a guy who hasn't started since high school and they go 11-5, and you're telling me QB is the best way to spend a pick. I'm taking a guy to keep any QB upright, whoever it might be, or a guy to put the other teams QB on his butt.

Jesus. You have a messed up set of priorities, sir.
T1: OT, DE, QB, DT
T2: OLB, CB, WR, S
T3: G, C, ILB, HB, TE
T4: K, P, FB

He's basically telling you Will Shields is more important than John Elway, think of how absurd that is.

I think you guys both devalue secondary positions way to much though.

Yeah, didn't win a playoff game because they're defense sucked. Against the Peyton Manning Colts, the only playoff game ever without a punt because it was two teams who were focused far too much on their offense and couldn't stop anybody. I'd rather get a great DT like Haynesworth or a DE that can get to the QB than an OT, but still.

Funny, most sacks come from the outside. Yet you are talking about bumping out franchise LT to GUARD and justifying it by saying it helps keep our QB alive. I whole-heartedly disagree.

Would you trade Brian Waters for Matt Ryan right now, jeff?

I think we should just take an end to take one, we need another Tamba Hali out there, it'll be great.

LOL, boy that's tough......I'd trade Brian Waters for a number of QB's.

QB>Guard by only about a million points.

K.

Did you see the colts without Jeff Saturday? Yeah, didn't do so hot.

Look at when we had Tony Richardson, or look at Lorenzo Neal, wherever he went the guy rushed for a 1000 yards.


And I'm not saying Shields is more important than Elway. When a QB is an amazing obvious Hall of Famer it changes things. But if I was building a team, this is the order of importance to picking guys. You put Elway in there without good Guards and he won't be able to step up in the pocket. You put generic quarterback number 3 in a well protected pocket and he'll pick apart the defense.

Ah k.. So a nose tackle in 3-4 is valuable enough to take with a top 5 pick... On another note, do you think Dorsey can play end in a 3-4??

I think he could, personally. Supposedly, he operates best in space.

Did you watch the Chiefs under Steve Bono? JESUS. Point and case.