We have to many role players and no leaders or stars, you don't build a great defense or team around role players.

A 3-4 places the star moniker on it's LB's the position we are by far the worst at not to mention we just spent our highest pick on a DT.

nothing, mecca?

Are you back to tell me Herm is not a bad coach?

I'd argue that Caldwell actually outrecruited Grobe based upon high school ratings.

Grobe may have a better eye for undervalued talent--which would just be another knock against Caldwell.

Grobe isn't winning because of his recruiting pipeline. Even with his 3rd consecutive bowl, he hasn't signed a four or five star recruit...

Obviously whoever comes in will want their own regime. Herm's a gonner.

I'd take Scott Pioli as GM and go with whichever head coach he desires. Bring in Matt Cassel while you're at it.

Lets not factor in at how down the ACC is now compared to where it was...FSU is not what it was a short time ago.

Sure, and I respect that. But you also need your front 4 to be generating all the pressure they can, without any help from the linebackers, so the linebackers can drop back in coverage or play man-to-man coverage. Spagnuolo is a good defensive coordinator, and I would have no objection if he were to come to KC. But NY's front four is very good, and that's what makes his blitzes even more effective IMHO. It worked well under Jim Johnson in Philly.

But there also extra benefits if there was a DC that can employ a little of a change up to his fastball. Primarly a 4-3 with a little 3-4 and a 4-6 on the side. That will cause alot of headaches for the offensive coaches to gameplan, because they shouldn't gameplan thinking that it'll be strictly a 4-3, because they will also have to gameplan some 3-4 and a 4-6.

I have no objections provided Hali and McBride are used correctly. They both appears to me that they are at best, role players. There's still a little possibility that McBride could grow into a serviceable starting LE with Hali spelling him in some occasions. But that will be determined, as soon as we get new defensive coaches. The sooner, the better, IMHO.

That's where I somewhat disgree with you respectfully on Tank Tyler, because he has shown some improvement from his year 1 to year 2. I know it's not much to look at statistically wise, but you couldn't deny that there was some improvement there, despite the fact that our rush defense is bad. However, I also wonder if the fact that many members on here strongly believes that Tyler and Dorsey are both playing the wrong positions. Meaning that they both switch, maybe could solve some of the problems. Who knows? I still give both of them the benefit of the doubt, especially that they are stuck under a very shitty defensive line coach in Tim Krumrie. Under Krumrie's tenture, I have not seen one of our linemen ever show any kind of improvement at all. Maybe Jared Allen, but who really knows?

Sure, I could see that argument, but at the same time, we also need to realize that Tyler is in his 2nd year and Dorsey in his first year. Very rare you'll find a DT that would dominate the league within their first 3 years, if I am not mistaken. Maybe two, but that may be generous.

Yeah, he does have good speed, and I agree that he should be blitzing him. However, I am concerned about his inability to shed blockers and sometimes, I do wonder if D. Johnson is actually going "all-out" on the plays. I mean, I want the Johnson that played in the Oakland game where he dominated that game. Not just one game and disappear for say, 5-6 weeks.

I'm indifferent in Williams. Seems to me that he's probably special teamer type of a player who can fill in a role position, but that's just my opinion.

Oh I agree on the pieces comment. It's there, but there has to be more additions on there. Deftinaly needs a RE in a very bad way. Probably will need more depth in DT positions, as Boone and Ron Edwards are a waste of space, IMHO. Deftinaly will need some LB's as well. Safety position is a major issue for me. Page is serviceable at best, but Pollard? Yikes. What really bothers me is that we're already 2-12 right now, and we still haven't seen anything out Morgan, who SHOULD be getting major playing time over Pollard.

I am paitent with the players, that's not the issue. But at the same time, you expect results back from those players. It's been almost 4 years now for D. Johnson, and he still hasn't shown me that he can be consistent. I see flashes of brilliance there, but why is it hard for him to be consistent, coaching staff be damned?

But the bottom line is, and it's a undeniable fact, that we need new coaches, period. I would have no objections if we were to keep David Gibbs, as the corners has shown some improvement. Especially Leggett, but if Gibbs is gone, I'm not gonna shed a tear.

Well then, if we need new players, then it shouldn't matter what defensive front they should run next year if we're going to need new players.

Want a 3-4? Fine, they'll get the players for it one way or another.

Want a 4-3? Fine, they'll replace some of the stooges that cannot do jackshit.

One way or another, something have to change. It probably could be both.

Jeff Sagarin doesn't agree with you

If you don't believe me, though, then go to the Wake Forest board and ask them about Caldwell's coaching ability. They are the ones who watched his x's and o's for several years.

They'll tell you that you are grasping for straws on this one. You're entitled to your opinion, but I think that you're way off base on this one...

Ok well the Colts disagree with you.

He'll be a great fall guy when Manning and Dungy retire at the same time...

Well coaching in college and the NFL are so different it's hard to really say if he'll be good in the NFL.

And college coaches have not made a successful transformation from the college ranks to the NFL.

See Steve, Spurrier, Nick Saban, Dennis Erickson, Butch Davis, Rich Brooks and Mike Riley to name a few.

Jimmy Johnson was an exception to the rule.

Coughlin is a play not to lose guy? Since when? Jax may have had the best offense in the league when he was their coach. And the Giants ain't shabby.