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Sfeihc 02-02-2009 06:14 AM

Machida is such a bad ass he only needs one eyebrow.

Simplex3 02-02-2009 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by kcchiefsfanGoLJ (Post 5447051)
Yep, he is also a counter striker, he is very patient, and can be very very boring to watch. IMO, Rampage and Rashad would beat him.

Rampage would have to get it to the ground. He isn't fast enough to hit Machida. Evans *might* be fast enough, but he's going to lose his patience.

Katipan 02-02-2009 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Sfeihc (Post 5450150)
Machida is such a bad ass he only needs one eyebrow.

I loved what they said about his background... How he has the fewest number of strikes and has taken the fewest number of blows, and is still undefeated.

Sounds like just my type of lazy (JOKE) discipline.

raybec 4 02-02-2009 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Katipan (Post 5450332)
I loved what they said about his background... How he has the fewest number of strikes and has taken the fewest number of blows, and is still undefeated.

Sounds like just my type of lazy (JOKE) discipline.

I am amazed he doesn't get blasted with as high as he keeps his chin during exchanges.

Katipan 02-02-2009 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 5450348)
I am amazed he doesn't get blasted with as high as he keeps his chin during exchanges.

OH OH OH.

In our class yesterday theres a black belt in taekwondo. And our instructor totally got out a sharpened short tiny stick. He pushed it up against karate kid's throat and made him keep it there during drills to keep his chin up.

His natural tendancy being to keep his chin down. Just like every wrestler's natural tendancy to keep that chin down.

It's so technical learning shodokan, but so freaking bad ass.

MOhillbilly 02-02-2009 09:20 AM

All i know is BJ Penn quit cold.
how his handler didnt take him out back an shoot him is beyond me.

raybec 4 02-02-2009 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Katipan (Post 5450351)
OH OH OH.

In our class yesterday theres a black belt in taekwondo. And our instructor totally got out a sharpened short tiny stick. He pushed it up against karate kid's throat and made him keep it there during drills to keep his chin up.

His natural tendancy being to keep his chin down. Just like every wrestler's natural tendancy to keep that chin down.

It's so technical learning shodokan, but so freaking bad ass.

I am ignorant to the karate nuances so I would love an explaination on the whole chin high thing if you could.

Katipan 02-02-2009 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by MOhillbilly (Post 5450354)
All i know is BJ Penn quit cold.
how his handler didnt take him out back an shoot him is beyond me.

I'm just glad he didn't tap out. Especially after running his mouth about GSP's tap with Serra. He deserved his beating. Sometimes you just do.

MOhillbilly 02-02-2009 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Katipan (Post 5450363)
I'm just glad he didn't tap out. Especially after running his mouth about GSP's tap with Serra. He deserved his beating. Sometimes you just do.

Word.

El Jefe 02-02-2009 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Simplex3 (Post 5450306)
Rampage would have to get it to the ground. He isn't fast enough to hit Machida. Evans *might* be fast enough, but he's going to lose his patience.

Rampage could stand and throw with him, Machida is faster no doubt, but Rampage has a pretty strong chin. He has stood toe to toe with Liddell and Wandy, who are both very good strikers. Rashad is definetely fast enough to throw with Machida, maybe even faster, many believe Rashad is the fastest striker in the division. Machida is a very patient fighter, which can make him extremely boring to watch.

Katipan 02-02-2009 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 5450360)
I am ignorant to the karate nuances so I would love an explaination on the whole chin high thing if you could.

Shodokan is all about stance and using as few movements as possible to inflict the most damage. Your chin has to be up because that's the natural position of your body. So much of the core movements come entirely from holding your body properly. Then when you move, everything is hips first. If your chin is down you end up leading with it.

Or something like that.

I'm just beginning dammit. :)

raybec 4 02-02-2009 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Katipan (Post 5450380)
Shodokan is all about stance and using as few movements as possible to inflict the most damage. Your chin has to be up because that's the natural position of your body. So much of the core movements come entirely from holding your body properly. Then when you move, everything is hips first. If your chin is down you end up leading with it.

Or something like that.

I'm just beginning dammit. :)

Thanks

raybec 4 02-02-2009 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by kcchiefsfanGoLJ (Post 5450371)
Rampage could stand and throw with him, Machida is faster no doubt, but Rampage has a pretty strong chin. He has stood toe to toe with Liddell and Wandy, who are both very good strikers. Rashad is definetely fast enough to throw with Machida, maybe even faster, many believe Rashad is the fastest striker in the division. Machida is a very patient fighter, which can make him extremely boring to watch.

I believe that statement to be 100 percent accurate, Rashad proved during the Griffin fight that although he may not be technically sound, he is very fast and has plenty of power. I think Machida could win that fight by frustrating Rashad but he would have to be very careful.

RUSH 02-02-2009 01:24 PM

GSP is the #1 pound for pound fighter in the world. I would think it's fair if someone argued Fedor, but to me GSP passed Anderson with his victory over Penn. GSP has no weaknesses, and it truly is a pleasure to watch him fight. How do you become the best wrestler in MMA when you have no wrestling pedigree? MMA is filled with collegiate wrestlers, some of them being national champions. He's an amazing athlete.

I also love how BJ was talking all that crap about his improved cardio and toughness. He was gassed midway through the 2nd round and didn't even look like he wanted to be in there. He got what he deserved.

Machida was very impressive too. I like him to win the LHW belt soon and hold it for a very long time. No one has seemed to figure him out and it won't happen soon. Maybe if someone is able to take him down at will, but I don't think anyone can at this point. His takedown defense is great and even if he gets down to the ground, he can hold his own.

BigCatDaddy 02-02-2009 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by RUSH (Post 5451270)
GSP is the #1 pound for pound fighter in the world. I would think it's fair if someone argued Fedor, but to me GSP passed Anderson with his victory over Penn. GSP has no weaknesses, and it truly is a pleasure to watch him fight. How do you become the best wrestler in MMA when you have no wrestling pedigree? MMA is filled with collegiate wrestlers, some of them being national champions. He's an amazing athlete.

I also love how BJ was talking all that crap about his improved cardio and toughness. He was gassed midway through the 2nd round and didn't even look like he wanted to be in there. He got what he deserved.

Machida was very impressive too. I like him to win the LHW belt soon and hold it for a very long time. No one has seemed to figure him out and it won't happen soon. Maybe if someone is able to take him down at will, but I don't think anyone can at this point. His takedown defense is great and even if he gets down to the ground, he can hold his own.

How does beating a guy coming up from 155 prove you are the best pound for pound? If he wants to be the best PfP fighter, then he needs to beat the best pound for pound fighter. Let's see him move up, like Penn did, and fight Anderson Silva.


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