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doomy3 02-25-2009 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5527787)
McCoy is going to have get much bigger if he's going to be able to survive physically.

Dude is the same size as Croyle. Listed at one inch taller and one pound lighter.


There are plenty of QBs in the NFL that are around that size and aren't injured like Croyle. It's something else with him, but I don't think it's all size.

OnTheWarpath15 02-25-2009 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5527800)
There are plenty of QBs in the NFL that are around that size and aren't injured like Croyle. It's something else with him, but I don't think it's all size.

The only guy I can think of off the top of my head that are similar build (6'2"+, under 210) is Bulger, and he's played 16 games once in his career.

doomy3 02-25-2009 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5527839)
The only guy I can think of off the top of my head that are similar build (6'2"+, under 210) is Bulger, and he's played 16 games once in his career.

Marc Bulger, Drew Brees, Jake Delhomme, Jeff Garcia are some

OnTheWarpath15 02-25-2009 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5527898)
Marc Bulger, Drew Brees, Jake Delhomme, Jeff Garcia are some

Brees is 3 inches shorter and weighs more than Croyle/Bulger.

Delhomme weighs 10 pounds more and has battled injuries 2 of the last 3 years.

Garcia is 2 inches shorter, weighs the same, and hasn't played a full season since 2002.

doomy3 02-25-2009 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5527800)
There are plenty of QBs in the NFL that are around that size and aren't injured like Croyle. It's something else with him, but I don't think it's all size.

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5527839)
The only guy I can think of off the top of my head that are similar build (6'2"+, under 210) is Bulger, and he's played 16 games once in his career.

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5527928)
Brees is 3 inches shorter and weighs more than Croyle/Bulger.

Delhomme weighs 10 pounds more and has battled injuries 2 of the last 3 years.

Garcia is 2 inches shorter, weighs the same, and hasn't played a full season since 2002.

I didn't say they were the exact same size, but we can agree that they are similar build, no? And yes, I realize Bulger has been injured, but as you said in another thread yesterday, he has gotten completely abused behind a terrible line. I wouldn't say his injuries have been only because of his size.

OnTheWarpath15 02-25-2009 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5527950)
I didn't say they were the exact same size, but we can agree that they are similar build, no? And yes, I realize Bulger has been injured, but as you said in another thread yesterday, he has gotten completely abused behind a terrible line. I wouldn't say his injuries have been only because of his size.

Of all the guys you listed, only Bulger has a slighter build than Croyle. All of them are 215 or under.

And all of them have missed significant time to to injury, with the exception of Brees, who was lucky enough to get hurt in the last game of the season and not the first.

Not a coincidence, IMO.

doomy3 02-25-2009 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5527972)
Of all the guys you listed, only Bulger has a slighter build than Croyle. All of them are 215 or under.

And all of them have missed significant time to to injury, with the exception of Brees, who was lucky enough to get hurt in the last game of the season and not the first.

Not a coincidence, IMO.


Those are just guys who are in the NFL now though. There have been many (Montana, Young, Namath, Trent Green, etc) that were slight build and didn't have these injury problems. Maybe it's not a coincidence, and maybe the NFL has changed a lot, I don't know. Not really even sure why this is a debate.

soundmind 02-25-2009 10:21 PM

I really think Brodie just doesn't like to get hit. That sounds ridiculous and humorous, but if you've ever played ball, that's a big part of the game that some guys never get.

Maybe he just can't take a hit, or never really learned how? In any event, he should've played baseball, he's got a hell of an arm, but he's made of glass and toothpicks. We should dress him out in blue and teach him a curveball...

DeezNutz 02-25-2009 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5527984)
Those are just guys who are in the NFL now though. There have been many (Montana, Young, Namath, Trent Green, etc) that were slight build and didn't have these injury problems. Maybe it's not a coincidence, and maybe the NFL has changed a lot, I don't know. Not really even sure why this is a debate.

Montana started 16 games only twice in his career. Injuries were definitely a problem.

Steve Young was 6'2" 215. Sounds like it's similar, but if it's 10 more pounds of muscle mass, it's really not.

Green we know about, and injuries were definitely a problem. Blowing out the knee was freak, however.

Namath. Not sure how well this comparison stacks up, to be honest.

Rigodan 02-25-2009 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 5527472)
It's hard to say. There's also a third school: if you're going to build around a QB, it had better be the right one. I think that's the part that some people aren't all on board with--not everyone is convinced Sanchez is a guy to build around. And I think that's a pretty reasonable concern--it is most definitely a risk to go with a QB that raw.

You gotta take the big risks (pick a QB) to get the big rewards (playoff wins). Go big or go home.

OnTheWarpath15 02-25-2009 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Rigodan (Post 5528043)
You gotta take the big risks (pick a QB) to get the big rewards (playoff wins). Go big or go home.

This.

For some reason, people think that any pick other than Stafford/Sanchez is a safe pick.

There is no such thing as a safe pick.

chiefzilla1501 02-25-2009 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Rigodan (Post 5528043)
You gotta take the big risks (pick a QB) to get the big rewards (playoff wins). Go big or go home.

I don't disagree. But again, just saying it's not a slam dunk and it's reasonable for people to be hesitant.

chiefzilla1501 02-25-2009 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5528052)
This.

For some reason, people think that any pick other than Stafford/Sanchez is a safe pick.

There is no such thing as a safe pick.

No, but I think there will be many that believe that those two QBs are less NFL-ready than most top QBs going into the draft. Granted, the top of the class is pretty shallow in general and the Chiefs can't just cross their fingers and hope they'll get a top 5 pick next year (especially given that the QB class might be worse next year).

But to your point... QBs generally bust at the highest rate. Other positions would be safer, without a doubt. But it's about risk vs. reward. QBs are high risk, high reward.

OnTheWarpath15 02-25-2009 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 5528054)
I don't disagree. But again, just saying it's not a slam dunk and it's reasonable for people to be hesitant.

And it's just as reasonable for people to be hesitant about taking a LB that doesn't rush the passer at the 3 slot.

Add to that what Scott Wright said this week, that Curry compares to DJ Williams, and you have another reason people would be hesitant.

DJ.

Williams.

Let that sink in.

EVERY pick has risks associated with it.

ChiefsCountry 02-25-2009 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 5527659)
omg .... they even made up a name for their little group of draft hitmen

have a some sort of Manifesto now i guess too






i think i'm gonna be ill :Lin:

Your dupe account made that nickname.


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