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Archie Bunker 02-28-2009 01:09 AM

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Patriots trade defensive leader Mike Vrabel to Chiefs
Startling swap
By Karen Guregian
Saturday, February 28, 2009 - Updated 41m ago


Mike Vrabel was one of Bill Belichick’s favorite players; that was no secret. He was one of the few Patriots [team stats] who could actually get away with being a bit of a class clown, and teasing the coach on occasion.

Vrabel was also one of the Pats’ most beloved and recognized players, having been a member of all three Super Bowl championships and making the Pro Bowl only a season ago.

That’s why the news of the veteran linebacker being traded to Kansas City was met with a sizable sense of shock and sadness yesterday.

“We’ve lost perhaps our best all-around football player. Defense, offense, special teams, Vrabes did it all,” Tedy Bruschi [stats] wrote in an e-mail. “His intelligence and on-field adjustments cannot be replaced. This team has just completely changed.”

Vrabel acknowledged the trade last night via e-mail, but declined to comment.

With Vrabel gone, and perhaps free agent safety Rodney Harrison [stats] opting to retire, the leadership dynamic on defense certainly will change.

Former Patriots linebacker Steve Nelson was completely taken aback when apprised of the trade.

“I guess that means they’re happy with their young outside linebackers. I don’t know. You’ve really caught me by surprise. He was really a great player for them,” Nelson said. “He was a real leader . . . that’s kind of a stunner.”

Vrabel was shipped to the Chiefs in exchange for an undisclosed draft choice. The popular outside linebacker was in Kansas City yesterday undergoing a physical before the deal was completed.

On the Chiefs side, it’s understandable why general manager Scott Pioli, who formerly ran the personnel operation in Foxboro, would want Vrabel’s veteran presence on his defense. Vrabel provides an immediate injection of the “Patriot Way” Pioli has been emphasizing and trying to implant since he took the Chiefs job.

So what gives from the Pats’ end? Might this be a precursor to another deal with KC involving Matt Cassel? And who is going to replace Vrabel at outside linebacker?

With the Pats hampered by Cassel’s $14.65 million cap charge thanks to his franchise tag tender, the club had to make room for yesterday’s signings of running back Fred Taylor [stats] and tight end Chris Baker.

The 33-year-old Vrabel was in the final year of his contract. He was expected to make $2.2 million in base salary, with a $1 million roster bonus, and count $4.3 million against the cap.

It’s possible KC could wind up as Cassel’s eventual landing spot but, for the time being, it appears the Vrabel trade was made to clear some immediate space.

Harrison, who is still undecided about his future, summed up his feelings in a few words.

“It’s business,” Harrison responded via text message, when asked his reaction to the Vrabel trade.

Nelson agreed, but still couldn’t fathom Vrabel being dealt.

“If it’s a matter of cap space, those are the difficult decisions teams have to make,” Nelson said. “But Vrabel is one of the guys I would think would be untouchable as far as, just (knowing the defensive) scheme, his versatility, his production. He might not have had the same production this year as he did last when he went to the Pro Bowl, but he played well at the end of the year. It’s just unfortunate you can’t let Vrabel retire on a team he should retire on.”

Vrabel did have an off-year by his standards. After his Pro Bowl season in which he led the team with 12 sacks, he had only four in 2008, while finishing fifth on the team in tackles with 62.
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While the linebacker denied having a shoulder problem during the season, a source close to him revealed Vrabel may now need surgery to repair the problem.

As for who will take his place, Pierre Woods is the likely candidate to play one outside linebacker spot opposite Adalius Thomas. The Pats also have 2008 third-round pick Shawn Crable, as well as recently re-signed Tully Banta-Cain.

Mecca 02-28-2009 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by FAX (Post 5536619)
Warning, Will Robinson!!!

You might want to back up just a ding dang dimply darn moment there, Mr. Mecca. Our team has been coached by the most ineffective, ignorant, impotent, infantile, inept, inane, and imbecilic loggerheaded lumpenites ever to carry a whistle.

We don't know what we have. Especially on defense.

FAX

I don't think any amount of coaching is going to make Tamba Hali better, he just isn't very talented.

wild1 02-28-2009 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5536600)
That's worth our 2nd-7th round picks plus a first rounder next year.

Think about that.

well i said that off the cuff. i didn't know where new england's pick was. maybe they could send us cassel and one of their picks to switch in the first.

in a way, it's superior to just selecting Stafford or whomever at #3. You get a QB, but in this case you get to pick again late in the first, plus again in the second or whatever else they send back to even it up

if you are religiously devoted to the 'value charts' then it won't make sense, but on a level it does

BryanBusby 02-28-2009 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5536600)
That's worth our 2nd-7th round picks plus a first rounder next year.

Think about that.

You act like Jimmy Johnsons draft trade chart is actually relevant. The Chiefs hold a pricey choice in the first round in a year that isn't exactly stacked with elite talent.

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5536563)
And that's what angers me.

Tomlin kept the 3-4 in Pittsburgh even though he's a Dungy disciple.

People need to realize that schemes are roughly equal. There is nothing in a 3-4 that makes it intrinsically better than a 4-3. So, if you have 4-3 talent, but no 3-4 talent, why waste that talent?

It just doesn't seem logical.

Pittsburgh already had a championship Defense in place while the Chiefs have a pile of shit that happens to collect on the field when the opposing offense steps on.

Mecca 02-28-2009 01:35 AM

Oh great another "the draft chart is dumb" guy.

FAX 02-28-2009 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5536643)
I don't think any amount of coaching is going to make Tamba Hali better, he just isn't very talented.

You may be right about him, Mr. Mecca. Or he may have been coached terribly, or he may have been fighting injuries, or they may have screwed with his head, or hell, they may have ruined him forever for all I know. I'm convinced that Hali isn't playing up to his full potential - whatever it is.

The point is that, over the past 4 years or so, I've seen enough of our guys leave the Chiefs and become valuable and valued contributors for other, far more competitive teams than we are to believe that we shouldn't keep a weather eye out for individual improvement once a new staff gets ahold of them.

FAX

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-28-2009 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by wild1 (Post 5536670)
well i said that off the cuff. i didn't know where new england's pick was. maybe they could send us cassel and one of their picks to switch in the first.

in a way, it's superior to just selecting Stafford or whomever at #3. You get a QB, but in this case you get to pick again late in the first, plus again in the second or whatever else they send back to even it up

if you are religiously devoted to the 'value charts' then it won't make sense, but on a level it does

Matt Stafford has a hell ofa lot more upside than Cassel could ever think of.

You trade for Cassel, you get him and the 23rd best player (thereabouts). You aren't going to save much money, and you are getting a QB with less long term upside.

Quality>Quantity

wild1 02-28-2009 01:49 AM

that is fair enough.

you go with whomever you feel is the better long term solution at qb. hit on the QB and no one will even remember the details. if pioli and haley think that guy is cassel, i will go along for now. if they just pick stafford outright i will take it too.

BryanBusby 02-28-2009 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5536687)
Oh great another "the draft chart is dumb" guy.

The chart isn't dumb, just needs updated. For the note, I'd rather the Chiefs took a chance on Stafford or Sanchez (preferably Sanchez) than trading for Cassel, but a trade like that wouldn't be the worst thing ever.

Mecca 02-28-2009 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 5536727)
The chart isn't dumb, just needs updated. For the note, I'd rather the Chiefs took a chance on Stafford or Sanchez (preferably Sanchez) than trading for Cassel, but a trade like that wouldn't be the worst thing ever.

It'd be pretty close to the worst thing ever...

Ultra Peanut 02-28-2009 01:56 AM

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Mike Vrabel was one of Bill Belichick’s favorite players; that was no secret.
And yet he's willing to get rid of him. Says a lot about how useful he must be nowadays.

Hammock Parties 02-28-2009 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5536543)
And people aren't understanding the anger over the Vrabel signing. Most of it stems from the move to a 3-4 which totally misuses our #5 overall pick from last year. To us, that seems ridiculously inflexible and hopelessly myopic. Whatever happened to fitting the scheme to suit your players.

Guys like Tamba Hali aren't world beaters, but he can give you 6-8 sacks from the left end position in the 4-3. That has value. Glenn Dorsey has Warren Sapp type ability in a 3-4, but he is too small to play the nose, and too short and too important to play the end.

Those guys are worth something, and if we are flushing their talents due to such a strong committment to a scheme which is no better than any other, I question the judgment involved in such move.

This is a good post.

The answer may be that Pioli thinks Dorsey isn't worth a shit.

Mecca 02-28-2009 02:09 AM

New regimes don't care about the past regimes players or high picks, ask Matt Leinart about that.

BryanBusby 02-28-2009 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Ultra Peanut (Post 5536745)
And yet he's willing to get rid of him. Says a lot about how useful he must be nowadays.

or it just shows Bill wants to get younger on D and free up cap space.

Hootie 02-28-2009 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 5536475)
Seriously, have you read a single book on building a team? Go get Won for All or Management Secrets of teh New England Patriots or Patriots Reign or something to get some appreciation into the BB/SP system.

You're overly focused on talent. Do you think you mgiht draft ONE OR TWO defensive rookies THIS YEAR for that suck-ass defense of yours? Do you think having someone like Vrabel show him how to conduct himself on a path to NFL success might be slightly useful?

Do you think your ENTIRE roster will be flushed?

Fine -- do it your way. The Patriots, Colts and Steelers will continue to crush your squad as you focus exclusively on talent and ignore the other variables that are critical towards building a winning NFL football team

I tried explaining this to him earlier...but he's a drafturbator...you can't reason with him.


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