Well, naturally, talent is important. It's just not the end all and be all. Shit, the situations with T.O. should have made this so abundantly clear that nobody even questions it.

Another instance where the underdog mentality raises its head. They latch on to the "right" guys quote, not realizing that those guys aren't right when they aren't surrounded by HOF talent.

Lawrence Taylor was a world class one who sucks the penis, crackhead and generally a pure ****up that Grandpa Parcells, the disciplinarian of disciplinarians, wouldn't do anything to...why? Because he had world-class talent.

I understand, they haven't given out a lot of info, but they did say that, didn't they? I don't think it was literal, and I was trying to convey the point they made, since it may apply here.

Maybe I did a poor job of trying to make my point, I am going to give them a shot and see what happens.

I must admit, I was more than a little shocked on most of the picks. But I don't know much. The Mizzou giant is the one I can least rationalize.

In a salary cap era you have to have the mix of both. No cap then you could just build great talent everywhere.
Because its really the cap that forces you to get the hard workers/cheap players.

Ok but I don't wanna hear this argument that NE doesn't have stars and they have the right players...

Anyone who doesn't think NE is loaded with star power and top of the line players isn't playing with a full deck.

Sure, and the Red Sox put up with Ramirez until he became more trouble than he was worth. Every team has to find its comfort level with the sort of crap it's willing to accept. Talent isn't all that matters. In the end, it's still about the team, and it has to function well enough together to win.

How many teams have no stars at all? The Patriots won the 2001 Super Bowl with only 3 Pro Bowlers on the roster, as I recall.

I agree, no question. But were they ALL Stars, prior to being drafted? Or, did a lot of them thrive with the Patriots?

Believe me, I have more than a few reservatioons about this draft. I am just trying to understand why they did, what they did.

I don't think they are stupid, or uninformed, do you?

Pats fans talked about Seymour and Warren in the exact same way Jackson is being discussed here.

What does ESPN know?. Mecca/Hamas/Dane et al feel otherwise so they must be right.
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Like Whitlock said Jackson wouldn't lead the NFL in sacks but if he's a solid player its still a good pick. Thats more then most of the Chiefs first round picks.

And Brady, Light, Seymour, Vrabel, Bruschi, Milloy, and Woody would all go to Pro Bowls shortly thereafter.

It wasn't like they had 3 high quality players, and that's it.

Question:

What IS the going salary for a quality shill these days?

No, it's not. You don't give a solid player more money than James Harrison.