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DeezNutz 09-10-2009 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 6053507)
Apparently, not everyone had your take. Here are just a couple of examples......
(Edit)

I misread Dane's post.

The fault lies squarely on the bag of DeezNutz.

Just Passin' By 09-10-2009 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6053592)
And outside of Cassel and maybe Vrabel, none of those guys would start for any other NFL team and in many cases, might not even make the roster.
I don't agree with your assessment. Every one of those players, with the possible exception of Gutierrez, is good enough to make other rosters.

More to the point though, it doesn't matter. These are upgrades over last season and part of just the first stage in the rebuild, which is the point.

Just Passin' By 09-10-2009 03:09 PM
It's been amusing reading as the complaining began with "Doesn't Pioli know that anyone would be better than that ****ing guy!" and then transformed into "I can't believe they didn't get a better player than who they got to replace that ****ing guy!". The complaining hasn't stopped. The excuse for the complaining just changed.

keg in kc 09-10-2009 03:09 PM
They've done exactly what most people familiar with new england thought they would do. Bring in a bunch of coachable team-oriented guys that other teams might overlook in favor of more raw talent, and focus on building the d-line through the draft. They've said over and over it's about finding the 'right 53'. Why anybody would be surprised by this I have no idea.

DaneMcCloud 09-10-2009 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 6053634)
I don't agree with your assessment. Every one of those players, with the possible exception of Gutierrez, is good enough to make other rosters.

More to the point though, it doesn't matter. These are upgrades over last season and part of just the first stage in the rebuild, which is the point.
You must be back on the pipe again.

Cassel and Vrabel were traded. They had no choice but to play for the Chiefs.

The other guys couldn't get a job anywhere else in the league. They're all playing for veteran league minimum.

Lay down the pipe.

DaneMcCloud 09-10-2009 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6053616)
So?

Tom Brady wasn't drafted to be a franchise quarterback.
Actually, if you read the book, yes, he was.

The point is that Mays was only signed to be a special teamer. He wasn't signed to be the starting linebacker.

Hence, Pioli was not aware of his value.

Chiefnj2 09-10-2009 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6053612)
Gimme a break.

Pioli didn't "find" 25 year-old Corey Mays. He bounced around the league for years like a hot potato between teams. The Chiefs signed him to be a special teams player. They had absolutely no faith in his ability to play ILB, which is why 37 year-old Zach Thomas was signed - a guy who couldn't even make it on the field in training camp.

If they had signed him and said "We project Mays to be the starting ILB", I'd be impressed.

But they didn't.

He was signed to be a special teamer. Nothing more.
Pioli didn't find him? He wasn't a UFA signed by the Pats when Pioli was with NE? You just proved my point that Pioli can't win with some people.

PunkinDrublic 09-10-2009 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 6053641)
They've done exactly what most people familiar with new england thought they would do. Bring in a bunch of coachable team-oriented guys that other teams might overlook in favor of more raw talent, and focus on building the d-line through the draft. They've said over and over it's about finding the 'right 53'. Why anybody would be surprised by this I have no idea.
Look at the # of guys we had shuffling in and out of camp. It may be that there just isn't that much talent out there that we can just plug into our line as bad as our current situation is. They brought Runyon in and I firmly believe they will be scouring through the recent TC cuts. A lot of these mediocre players are what they are which is a temporary fix.

DaneMcCloud 09-10-2009 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 6053671)
Pioli didn't find him? He wasn't a UFA signed by the Pats when Pioli was with NE? You just proved my point that Pioli can't win with some people.
They cut him, too.

I guess he wasn't all that.

Don't tell me that he was signed to be anything OTHER than a special teams guy.

Because that would be just plain false.

Hammock Parties 09-10-2009 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6053667)
Actually, if you read the book, yes, he was.

The point is that Mays was only signed to be a special teamer. He wasn't signed to be the starting linebacker.

Hence, Pioli was not aware of his value.
Sounds like revisionist history to me.

Pioli can go back and write a book saying how much he knew Mays was going to be a stud after the fact.

ToxSocks 09-10-2009 03:20 PM
It's not like players are lining up to play for KC. They need to scrounge around and find players to make this a team worth coming too. If they can find "The right 53" and start winning, then you'll hear more big names coming to KC. Its hard to expect otherwise.

DaneMcCloud 09-10-2009 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6053697)
Sounds like revisionist history to me.

Pioli can go back and write a book saying how much he knew Mays was going to be a stud after the fact.
That's bullshit. He wouldn't have cut him nor would he have signed Zach Thomas (AGE 37) to be the starter.

Hammock Parties 09-10-2009 03:22 PM
OK. I still think he deserves credit, no matter what the original "plan" was.

I give the Chiefs credit for Jared Allen.

DaneMcCloud 09-10-2009 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6053716)
OK. I still think he deserves credit, no matter what the original "plan" was.

I give the Chiefs credit for Jared Allen.
First off, Corey Mays hasn't done a thing yet for the Chiefs. It was preseason.

Secondly, it's just like the Priest Holmes signing. Vermeil didn't know that Priest was the player he'd become.

rad 09-10-2009 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6053689)
They cut him, too.

I guess he wasn't all that.

Don't tell me that he was signed to be anything OTHER than a special teams guy.

Because that would be just plain false.
C'mon man, give it a rest. Some people have more patience, that's all.


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