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milkman 10-25-2009 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6206551)
Well to be fair the Saints do have a 1st round pick OT but he's on IR.

True, but the fact is they've hardly missed a beat with Bushrod replacing Brown.

And that's the point.

Mecca 10-25-2009 09:02 PM

The Saints have just been really good at drafting guys like that..Carl Nicks in the 5th their other guard in the 4th 2 young starting guards in the rounds they should be taken in.

chiefzilla1501 10-25-2009 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RedThat (Post 6206566)
Im sure there will be OT's availale when we pick in the top 5 or 10. And they MUST take one whether he plays right or left tackle I don't care.

This team has failed miserably addressing the Oline in the draft. Im tired of it. Drafting 1 guy doesn't cut it. This is something they should of done previously. I don't care any way people spin it, I don't want them neglecting the foundation of a football team. This is something the Chiefs should of done when Roaf and Shields were nearing retirement.

The point I'm trying to make is 3 of the positions they badly need upgrading on the offensive line are positions that are typically not first round grade picks. You can find the top center of the board with a high 2nd round pick and one of the top guards on the board with a low 2nd round pick.

And there's no reason to believe Albert won't get better once he get's used to playing at a lower weight.

You get improvement out of Albert, and you get 2 quality starters, and you've got major improvement for your o-line. Hell, the problem this season isn't so much that we lack quality starters as much as it is that we are putting in complete piles of shit on the offensive line. If you get improvement out of Albert, you get 1 quality starter, and you find someone to throw Niswanger and Goff to the curve, you've improved markedly too.

RedThat 10-25-2009 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6206545)
You build a foundation by taking the best players that fill a need.

Mays and Berry are better players than Okung that fill a need.

You can go build an O-Line in the mid rounds.

The Saints have one of the best in the league right now, and there isn't a single first round pick on their line.


The game is won in the trenches. Bottomline. So they must address what's most important. I want both the running game and passing game to improve. There will probably be an OT worthy of picking in the top 5 or 10.

ChiefsCountry 10-25-2009 09:06 PM

We could take somebody like Jon Asamoah out of Illinois in the 4th round and be set at right guard for the next decade. Thats a smarter move than drafting OL so freaking early.

chiefzilla1501 10-25-2009 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by RedThat (Post 6206594)
The game is won in the trenches. Bottomline. So they must address what's most important. I want both the running game and passing game to improve. There will probably be an OT worthy of picking in the top 5 or 10.

That's the bottom line. But few teams have more than one first round pick on their line.

You can build your offensive line without burning a first round pick. Again, taking a Center and a Guard in the second round and bringing in 1-2 through free agency or UDFAs, and continuing to improve Albert, that's going to make our o-line 100 times better.

Gadzooks 10-25-2009 09:09 PM

Pioli will always find the OL gems in the mid rounds but, from the looks of it, the Chiefs will be able to pick up a high talent player in the top ten.
If you're in the top three, I could see Pioli dropping down to pick multiple 5 to 10 year star starters.
You guy's are lucky 'cause you suck during a great draft year.
If Pioli picks a DE high in the top three again, you may have reasons for murderous thoughts, but from the looks of it, you're going to have an opportunity to get several quality (if not superstar) players.
The Bolts may not even make the playoffs and will still have a shitty spot in the draft.
Advantage Chiefs. Enjoy the draft position while it lasts.
If your saviour, Pioli, has his way you won't be picking this high for years.

milkman 10-25-2009 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by RedThat (Post 6206566)
Im sure there will be OT's availale when we pick in the top 5 or 10. And they MUST take one whether he plays right or left tackle I don't care.

This team has failed miserably addressing the Oline in the draft. Im tired of it. Drafting 1 guy doesn't cut it. This is something they should of done previously. I don't care any way people spin it, I don't want them neglecting the foundation of a football team. This is something the Chiefs should of done when Roaf and Shields were nearing retirement.

Yeah.

This team never needs any playmakers.

Just draft O-Line.

Mecca 10-25-2009 09:09 PM

If this team takes a guy to play RT with it's top 5 pick they are a reeruned franchise.

RedThat 10-25-2009 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 6206590)
The point I'm trying to make is 3 of the positions they badly need upgrading on the offensive line are positions that are typically not first round grade picks. You can find the top center of the board with a high 2nd round pick and one of the top guards on the board with a low 2nd round pick.

And there's no reason to believe Albert won't get better once he get's used to playing at a lower weight.

You get improvement out of Albert, and you get 2 quality starters, and you've got major improvement for your o-line. Hell, the problem this season isn't so much that we lack quality starters as much as it is that we are putting in complete piles of shit on the offensive line. If you get improvement out of Albert, you get 1 quality starter, and you find someone to throw Niswanger and Goff to the curve, you've improved markedly too.

And addressing the center and guard positions in the 2nd round is what they should do. Heck, gimme the best guards and centers in the draft. If you can find them in the 2nd round, you do it.

And the problem is, they lack the quality starters and are addressing the most important areas with piles of shit out there. It's no coincedence why the offensive line has sucked for the last 4 years. It's time to focus on this area and add some quality to it.

The Bad Guy 10-25-2009 09:10 PM

Some of you ****ers are just programmed a certain way and that's it.

Mecca 10-25-2009 09:11 PM

Most fans don't care about offensive lineman, this fan base overrates them.

RedThat 10-25-2009 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6206609)
Yeah.

This team never needs any playmakers.

Just draft O-Line.

Right because they don't HAVE any playmakers on the Oline. The MOST IMPORTANT position on the football team. The area that makes other players better.

milkman 10-25-2009 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by RedThat (Post 6206594)
The game is won in the trenches. Bottomline. So they must address what's most important. I want both the running game and passing game to improve. There will probably be an OT worthy of picking in the top 5 or 10.

Championships are won by playmakers.

The Chiefs had one of the best O-Line in the 90s and won jack.

They had the best O-Line in Dick's years, and won Jack.

The Steelers meanwhile had shit on Oline last year but had playmakers and won a SB.

milkman 10-25-2009 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by RedThat (Post 6206619)
Right because they don't HAVE any playmakers on the Oline. The MOST IMPORTANT position on the football team. The area that makes other players better.

Yeah, O-Lineman are playmakers.


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