LOL You can't use the Browns defense as a example since he wasn't the DC. How often to great DC's become HC's and field great defenses with that team also? Defenses Guru Dungy never had a good defense with the Colts.

He's morbidly obese. Those guys make the best coaches. Mangini is just fat, for instance. Maybe if he ate more fast food while spending countless hours in the office, he'd be a better coach. But no, Mangini has to take the time to prepare a salad every once inawhile.

Also think about what your saying, he didn't make the Browns good? Bill ****ing Billichick couldn't make the Browns good.

I think they bitched about it because it didn't work.

Everyone in the NFL hires their buddies for the most part.

Its just really a team concept isn't it? yes, this means we need to look at things from a broader perspective.

Actually, the Browns were improving, then the bottom fell out when Modell announced the move mid-season.

Christ definitely would be an upgrade but he is not available or so I hear.

Marty Schottenheimer did, and I'm no fan of Marty's.

That's a stupid argument.

So what you are saying is that in order to have a good team you n eed good players? Ya, we didnt already know that.

This team has to get good players plain and simple. I rather have Crennel. Hopefully he has a good eye for talent and we can draft some players. He doesnt have to concentrate on both sides of the ball just 1.

No matter how we look at it, we are ging to have to pick something from someones tree.

We do have to give the guys a few years to see if they can raise the ****ing dead.

I will say this again, KC started over. They completely threw out Herm's plans and started from scratch.

We may not like it, but thats what it is. Welcome to rebuilding hell, it takes a toll on the fans.

Peyton Manning wouldn't be successful in KC.

Were you ****ers expecting a playoff birth?

Not entirely true.

The year after Romeo left, the Patriots ranked 17th on defense. And that became the point in time when the Patriots started to pivot toward an offensive-heavy scheme. The identity of the Patriots of today is entirely different from the identity under Romeo. Under Romeo, the Pats ran an extremely conservative offense that depended on the defense to make big plays. They put Brady in positions to win and he delivered. The defense isn't even remotely as dependable. Now the Pats rely on Brady, not the defense, to carry the team.

I don't know what the main contributor was, but most Pats' fans will tell you that the Pats' defense over the last few years isn't remotely as good as the Pats' defense that won them their first Super Bowl.

How refreshing. People forget how good the Browns had gotten to be by 1994. They beat the Champion Cowboys in Dallas on the way to a 11-5 season and playoff win over Parcells Patriot. 1995 was a Modell caused disaster.
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And for some reason, that also seems to overlap with the aging and decline of the players who made those defenses so good. I'm sure that's just a coincidence, though.

Age and poor drafting.

But Pioli wasn't involved in the latter, luckily.

As was Bill Belichick but he sucks or so I heard