OTWP - How is 26 INT's acceptable though? I was pissed Cassel had 16... plus i thought a good QB will normally have a 2-1 ratio td/int

Except Grbac had a chin.

If he is the Vince Young that showed up the last 8 games of the season, in a heartbeat I would.

All we need from Cutler is an "I can't throw it and catch it" incident with the media and then a development of the classic Grbac "oh shit, I just threw a pick, time to play hurt" technique, and the two would be indistinguishable. They're already equally popular with their teammates.

by the way cutler, OTWP, has a career 77/66 td/int ratio with a yards/pass attempt ratio of 7.18... for a first round pick in his 4 year, wouldnt you think he would be better? Would you not be pissed if Cassel had the same numbers? I know i wouldnt be happy if Cassel, in 3 years has those numbers... (and a 24-29 record as a starter to boot)

seriously, i need OTWP or Mecca to answer my question above, you guys are great posters, i just need clarification on how Cutler is considered good with those numbers...

You have incorrect info on Cutler. His career TD/INT is 81/63. That's a 1.28 TD/INT ratio.

http://www.nfl.com/players/jaycutler...e?id=CUT288111

Any guess as to what Peyton Manning's ratio was his first 4 years?

1.37

And he was a #1 overall pick, surrounded by superior talent.


Cutler's biggest problem is forcing the ball because he feels it's all on his shoulders. In Denver, he had to score 35 to have a chance to win a game.

In Chicago, he's trying to overcome a lack of talent around him.

If he ever figures out how to overcome that feeling of having to do everything, the sky is the limit. Because right now, the only thing holding him back is his turnovers, and like I said, he has a positive TD/INT ratio, and has never thrown more INT's than TD's in a season.

Can anyone really see Weis working with Cutler?

I stand corrected, my info was off, must have not included the last 4 td's in the last game, and i added 3 int... blindly... thats what i get for not double checking...

regardless though, this year his td/int ratio was bad... right? and his 6.6 avg per pass attempt was not good right?

Cassel in year 2 as a starter has a 1.37 ratio... and a 6.6 avg... how is he not given a pass too?

Wow, are you talking about Cutler or Cassel cause this is true for both at this point...

and by the Way OTWP, thanks for correcting me, and answering my questions, you are one of the few posters i really enjoy reading...

Cassel's numbers are based on one good year in NE, where over 70% of his pass attempts traveled under 10 yards.

Cutler's numbers are based over 4 years, and this year was his worst, was still better than Cassel in every category but INT's, and Cutler had much, much less to work with.

If Matt Cassel did what Cutler did in 2007 or 2008, people wouldn't be complaining.

Problem is, Cassel will likely never do those things, because he doesn't have talent, nor does he have the downfield accuracy necessary.

No problem. Thanks for the kind words.

You must have missed post #160, because you skipped over it.

Holy shit. Yeah, I missed it.

Carlos, if you think the only thing holding Cassel back is turnovers, I have some oceanfront property in Eastern Missouri I'd love to sell you.