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milkman 02-03-2010 08:50 AM

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Fortunately, Pioli, who is a big believer in positional value
Really.

A 5 tech at #3 overall last year really serves as evidence to support that claim, doesn't it?

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From Walters/Matt McGuire's Mock:
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Kansas City Chiefs are handcuffed to taking a left tackle at this pick. It will be interesting to see whether it ends up being Okung, Anthony Davis or Bruce Campbell, as the battle for the No. 1 tackle spot is one of the best storylines of the 2010 NFL Draft.


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From Draftcountdown:
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Oklahoma State’s Russell Okung isn’t an elite prospect in the mold of Tony Boselli, Jon Ogden or Orlando Pace but he has clearly emerged as the top offensive tackle in this class


So the sites you are using to support your argument can't even agree on who the actual best prospect is?

Chiefs=Champions 02-03-2010 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6500120)
FFS, that is a distracting ****ing sig.

LMAO

Hootie 02-03-2010 08:58 AM

I have a hard time listening to all the gurus talk about offensive line as if they know it or something...everyone was super against Clady and he's just going to be a perennial pro bowler here on out...

milkman 02-03-2010 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon (Post 6501249)
I have a hard time listening to all the gurus talk about offensive line as if they know it or something...everyone was super against Clady and he's just going to be a perennial pro bowler here on out...

For ****'s sake, why do we have to go through all the same shit with your dumb ass over, and over, and over again?

Clady was a talented LT and was a great fit for the scheme that the Rat ran in Denver.

No one even argued that he wasn't talented.

But the argument was that he wasn't a great downhill blocker (and he still isn't) and wasn't a good fit for the power runnig scheme that Herman ****ing Edwards wanted ot run.

And even though the scheme change wasn't dramatic with Josh McDaniels taking over, Clady did have his struggles in his second season, and his run blocking in that scheme wasn't nearly at the same level as it was in the Rat's scheme.

OnTheWarpath15 02-03-2010 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 6501194)
WHat does that have to do with Albert?

Oh, I don't know.

Maybe because people want to slide him in to play....guard?

He wasn't drafted to play guard, everyone thinks his skill-set best suits the LT position, and he was drafted as such.

Unfortunately, FindTheOkung either doesn't understand, or wants to even try to understand that you don't give up on a 2nd year player that has had a bad half-season -period - much less for a guy that honestly is pretty much a spitting image of Albert, with with slower feet.

OnTheWarpath15 02-03-2010 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6501238)
Really.

A 5 tech at #3 overall last year really serves as evidence to support that claim, doesn't it?







So the sites you are using to support your argument can't even agree on who the actual best prospect is?

LMAO

Chiefnj2 02-03-2010 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6501310)
Oh, I don't know.

Maybe because people want to slide him in to play....guard?

He wasn't drafted to play guard, everyone thinks his skill-set best suits the LT position, and he was drafted as such.

Unfortunately, FindTheOkung either doesn't understand, or wants to even try to understand that you don't give up on a 2nd year player that has had a bad half-season -period - much less for a guy that honestly is pretty much a spitting image of Albert, with with slower feet.

That doesn't prove your point. You asked who was drafted to play guard in the top 15. Herm and Carl drafted him to be the LOT. Just because the new staff doesn't think he fits, doesn't change the fact he was drafted to be a LOT. Nor would it be the first time a top 15 LOT was moved to another position. It happens.

OnTheWarpath15 02-03-2010 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 6501330)
That doesn't prove your point. You asked who was drafted to play guard in the top 15. Herm and Carl drafted him to be the LOT. Just because the new staff doesn't think he fits, doesn't change the fact he was drafted to be a LOT. Nor would it be the first time a top 15 LOT was moved to another position. It happens.

Not after two years, two HC's and 3 different offensive schemes.

And who other than FindTheOkung thinks the organization thinks he doesn't fit?

Are you telling me that Todd Haley made the kid lose 30 pounds to play LT, and is going to ask him to gain that weight back to try to play inside?

Chiefnj2 02-03-2010 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6501341)
Not after two years, two HC's and 3 different offensive schemes.

And who other than FindTheOkung thinks the organization thinks he doesn't fit?

Are you telling me that Todd Haley made the kid lose 30 pounds to play LT, and is going to ask him to gain that weight back to try to play inside?

I don't have the faintest idea what Haley will do since he was a complete reerun his first year. As a fan it is all but impossible to judge any offensive player last year because it is inherently unfair for a coach to completely scrap a system a week before the season starts. Haley has also been pretty vague and cryptic about Albert's future role on the team.

I don't know what KC has in Albert. His first year he was protected because the team ran the pistol formation the majority of the year. The 2nd year was a complete mess for everyone. His play improved somewhat the last few games, but I don't think he was great by any means which is what some think. He had a poor game against Buffalo.

At the end of the day I want them to fix the OL. I don't really care how they do it. Albert can play inside, outside or not at all - it doesn't matter to me as long as the OL opens holes and protects the QB.

OnTheWarpath15 02-03-2010 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 6501477)
I don't have the faintest idea what Haley will do since he was a complete reerun his first year. As a fan it is all but impossible to judge any offensive player last year because it is inherently unfair for a coach to completely scrap a system a week before the season starts. Haley has also been pretty vague and cryptic about Albert's future role on the team.

I don't know what KC has in Albert. His first year he was protected because the team ran the pistol formation the majority of the year. The 2nd year was a complete mess for everyone. His play improved somewhat the last few games, but I don't think he was great by any means which is what some think. He had a poor game against Buffalo.

At the end of the day I want them to fix the OL. I don't really care how they do it. Albert can play inside, outside or not at all - it doesn't matter to me as long as the OL opens holes and protects the QB.

We didn't run the pistol in Week 1 at NE, and I don't recall Richard Seymour registering a single sack.

He allowed 1 sack to John Abraham in Week 3. Not running the pistol.

Albert was holding his own well before the pistol was installed.

Chiefnj2 02-03-2010 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6501492)
We didn't run the pistol in Week 1 at NE, and I don't recall Richard Seymour registering a single sack.

He allowed 1 sack to John Abraham in Week 3. Not running the pistol.

Albert was holding his own well before the pistol was installed.

He did great for a rookie in weeks 1 and 2. He did not play well against Atlanta and the QB was pressured all day. If you want to annoint him based on his first two weeks in the league, go right ahead.

OnTheWarpath15 02-03-2010 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 6501524)
He did great for a rookie in weeks 1 and 2. He did not play well against Atlanta and the QB was pressured all day. If you want to annoint him based on his first two weeks in the league, go right ahead.

I'm not annoiting him. No one is.

It just seems that FindTheOkung, and now to some degree, yourself, want to give the kid no credit for playing solid football for 24 out of 32 games, and refuse to consider that a 30 pound weight loss and change in scheme had an effect on the 8 poor games he's played.

And FTR, Albert did not play poorly against Atlanta. He gave up one sack, and was doing a pretty decent job on Abraham. Atlanta's coaching staff must have thought the same, because they decided to match him up with McIntosh in the 2nd half - and was successful.

Chiefnj2 02-03-2010 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6501556)
I'm not annoiting him. No one is.

It just seems that FindTheOkung, and now to some degree, yourself, want to give the kid no credit for playing solid football for 24 out of 32 games, and refuse to consider that a 30 pound weight loss and change in scheme had an effect on the 8 poor games he's played.

And FTR, Albert did not play poorly against Atlanta. He gave up one sack, and was doing a pretty decent job on Abraham. Atlanta's coaching staff must have thought the same, because they decided to match him up with McIntosh in the 2nd half - and was successful.

Can you read? I said it is all but impossible to judge him because of the circumstances he faced his first two years with KC. I understand the scheme set everyone back.

As far as Atlanta is concerned, according to PFF Albert gave up 1 sack, 4 pressures and 1 more hit.

OnTheWarpath15 02-03-2010 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 6501653)
Can you read? I said it is all but impossible to judge him because of the circumstances he faced his first two years with KC. I understand the scheme set everyone back.

As far as Atlanta is concerned, according to PFF Albert gave up 1 sack, 4 pressures and 1 more hit.

Not at all poor for a guy playing his 3rd NFL game at LT, against one of the best, protecting a 3rd string QB.

And personally, I don't think it's impossible to judge him at all.

He's played 8 poor games, all immediately following a scheme change and major weight loss.

The other 24 games of his career, he's ranged from average to solid.

For me, that's enough to consider the LT position locked down for at least another year.

RustShack 02-03-2010 11:22 AM

Is it a coincidence that when Albert got back up to his previous playing weight near the end of the year(muscle this time instead of fat) that he was back to playing like his previous self? You know when he was being labeled as the best LT in that draft over the likes of Long and Clady.


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