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Pasta Little Brioni 09-21-2010 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefsnorth (Post 7024825)
Pollard is still a liability in the passing game. If you had seen the opener with Indy, there was a memorable moment when he was beaten for a TD after running his mouth for several previous plays. He makes a big play sometimes, but to imply the Chiefs would be fine with Pollard instead of Berry is asinine, reeruned, and uninformed.

It is a good point that Berry gets excuses but Jackson was blasted from day 1. The explanation is that Jackson should have gotten patience as a rookie too before the fans decided he sucked, but many decided it on draft day.

Pollard is still the same player, Berry is probably already better than he is all around and has a far higher ceiling. But don't tell that to mouth breathing sports radio callers/hosts, I know.

Pollard got beat like a drum in pass coverage last year as well.

Hug it Out Dan 09-21-2010 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 7025743)
We'd have most likely been a lot better off for the long run with those two guys versus Berry and McCluster.

Berry has cost us two touchdowns and McCluster, for all his speed and versatility, has 2 receptions for 9 yards and two runs for a grand total of 3 yards. Sure, the special teams TD was nice, but we would have had that earlier if Studebaker had decided to pull his head out of his ass on Arenas' run. McCluster is starting to parallel Kris Wilson as our super secret offensive weapon.

Could have picked up Morgan Burnett in the third, and bingo!, quality LT, quality RT, starting safety, etc.

LOL, it's week 3. They're rookies.

Pasta Little Brioni 09-21-2010 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Laces Out Dan (Post 7025817)
LOL, it's week 3. They're rookies.

Ignore him. His obsession with Okung and hatred of Albert is frightening.

Saccopoo 09-21-2010 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by PGM (Post 7025834)
Ignore him. His obsession with Okung and hatred of Albert is frightening.

If they took Monroe or Oher in '09 instead of Jackson, the Okung thing would have been a non-issue as it relates to my perception of the 2010 draft. In fact, prior to the draft, Albert himself said he would have had no problem in sliding over so Monroe could play at LT. (IIRC)

Now, when they have a chance at potentially drafting a legitimate QBOTF in the next year or two, he's forced to play behind a substandard line, especially when you consider that Waters and Weigmann have one, possibly two years left at most.

You really want to put a potential QBOTF behind a line anchored by Albert and Richardson and who knows what two stiffs at LG and C? I'm simply looking at this from a long term perspective. I know that's a real stretch for most people around here though...

DaneMcCloud 09-21-2010 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 7025873)
If they took Monroe or Oher in '09 instead of Jackson, the Okung thing would have been a non-issue as it relates to my perception of the 2010 draft. In fact, prior to the draft, Albert himself said he would have had no problem in sliding over so Monroe could play at LT. (IIRC)

Except for the fact that Monroe sucked ass last year.

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 7025873)
Now, when they have a chance at potentially drafting a legitimate QBOTF in the next year or two, he's forced to play behind a substandard line, especially when you consider that Waters and Weigmann have one, possibly two years left at most.

Bullshit.

Finding a starting center will be easy. And replacing Waters, who's play has dropped off considerably each year won't be difficult, either. As a matter of fact, Lilja could take over now. Asamoah at right guard. Done.

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 7025873)
You really want to put a potential QBOTF behind a line anchored by Albert and Richardson and who knows what two stiffs at LG and C? I'm simply looking at this from a long term perspective. I know that's a real stretch for most people around here though...

Absolutely.

Have you looked around the league and watched teams with good QB's play? Do you think that Brees or Rodgers or Peyton Manning or Schaub or any other number of "Franchise QB's" are playing behind an offensive line that's better than the current Chiefs?

If so, you're unbelievably wrong.

Pasta Little Brioni 09-21-2010 05:03 PM

The offensive line has not been a weakness whatsoever. He must smoke some good shit before every game...that or his head is so far up Okung's ass, he gets high from that.

Mecca 09-21-2010 05:33 PM

If he wants to go into a big thing about how we should have taken the Jets trade up offer and drafted Oher, I'll listen to that one, that one makes sense.

Pioli Zombie 09-21-2010 05:43 PM

This is Chiefs Planet. We declare this draft and next years drafts as failures.

petegz28 09-21-2010 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyHorse (Post 7024695)
Every time he's made a mistake, he's come back and made an amazing play. Berry has been victimized no doubt. But he's a stud. Anybody should be able to see that.

I remember Dale Carter in his early years. He would make a mistake and then come back and make a big play. Rookie DB's are going to make mistakes in the passing game. That is how it is. The important thing is tha the learns. And he probably won't learn overnight either.

ILChief 09-21-2010 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by dallaschiefsfan (Post 7024837)
Petro has had a hate for all-things-Chiefs since day one of the Pioli/Haley era. he's an idiot and I can't take him seriously on this stuff. Berry will be fine.

Petro was the ultimate Carl ballwasher. Pioli won't give him the time of day so he criticizes everything the team does. Wright's show is much better.

wazu 09-21-2010 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 7024867)
Petro is a True Fan, but the point he was trying to make was a bit more nuanced than most in this thread are giving him credit for.

An actual quote from Petro today, "Eric Berry will NEVER be Troy Polamalu or Ed Reed!"

The rest of his screaming, railing, shrieking-voice rant can be debated, but that quote right there absolutely says Berry is now, and always will be, a bad pick at #5.

munkey 09-21-2010 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 7026304)
An actual quote from Petro today, "Eric Berry will NEVER be Troy Polamalu or Ed Reed!"

The rest of his screaming, railing, shrieking-voice rant can be debated, but that quote right there absolutely says Berry is now, and always will be, a bad pick at #5.


Did Polamalu or Reed start as a rookie? If so what were there numbers? Did he mention that? Probably not...

Sweet Daddy Hate 09-21-2010 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by munkey (Post 7026314)
Did Polamalu or Reed start as a rookie? If so what were there numbers? Did he mention that? Probably not...

Eh, he backed the Cassel trade with all his reeruned little heart, so I expect jack-shit from him. Every day.

The Bad Guy 09-21-2010 09:34 PM

I see Saccobullshit is in full force again.

Thank god I have that cockbag on ignore.

KcMizzou 09-21-2010 09:51 PM

The rule of thumb is that you judge a draft class after about three seasons, right?

We tend to do it here after 5 minutes. And the consensus can swing wildly from game to game on any given player. I understand that it's what we do here... but damn...

Sometimes you've just gotta calm the F down, and let things play out.


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