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Titty Meat 11-07-2011 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Lover's Pizza Face (Post 8089744)
Very true.

But my dad always told me...believe half of what you see, and none of what you hear (or something like that)...

Actually, I don't think that's how the saying went at all...of course something SHOULD have been done...but there is a reason why there have been no charges on JoePa yet...they don't have anything on him. He technically did exactly what he was supposed to do.

Now morally speaking? Perhaps not.

The guy who admitted to ****ing a passed out chick is gonna teach us about morality.


Gotta love the internet.

OnTheWarpath15 11-07-2011 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8090258)
I know it's crazy, but you're asking a lot of McQueary.

I've read plenty of Enron case studies. A lot of people know they're doing the wrong, hate that they're doing the wrong thing, but are you willing to throw away your entire future to blow the whistle? That's a lot to ask of a guy. It makes me sick too, but the decision is a hell of a lot harder than people think.

I'm a huge Joe Pa fan, but his situation is a little different. He's in a position of power. He owns that University. I hate that he made the completely wrong moral decision on this one.

Holy Jesus.

Your comparing blowing the whistle on financial improprieties to blowing the whistle on a child molester?

Titty Meat 11-07-2011 06:53 PM

It'll never happen but everyone involved who knew this and didn't report this should be arrested Joe Pa included.

BryanBusby 11-07-2011 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Lover's Pizza Face (Post 8089735)
Disagree.

If I had a good job and saw some sick **** doing something...and then reported it to my superiors...and the superiors did nothing about it...I'd still be disgusted but I wouldn't necessarily walk out on my job. Especially if it was a good paying job.

If anything, McQueary is one of the good guys in this entire mess. He did more than anyone...it's not his fault his BOSSES squashed the entire thing. He told his dad, and then JOE PATERNO...after that, it's not really his call to do anything else.

What was he going to do? Call the police and turn it into a G.A. vs. Legend "he says, she says" battle?

He's one of the good guys? Are you ****ing serious? Out of all the crap I've read on this board, your post would definitely be the dumbest ****ing thing I've read if you seriously believe this.

LiveSteam 11-07-2011 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 8090284)
It'll never happen but everyone involved who knew this and didn't report this should be arrested Joe Pa included.

I think more will come as the legal system moves forward

Bump 11-07-2011 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 8090284)
It'll never happen but everyone involved who knew this and didn't report this should be arrested Joe Pa included.

arrested, beaten, tortured and ****ed by gay prison dudes with aids. How could anyone, especially a legend like Paterno look the other way with this? It makes me want to vomit. I mean you are Joe ****ing Paterno, you seem like a guy with a ton of integrity. If the AD doesn't do shit, call a press conference, call the cops, do something! I still have trouble wrapping my head around this one. It's purely disgusting.

FringeNC 11-07-2011 07:04 PM

At first, I just thought Paterno acted wholly inappropriately given that he had to know what was going on; however, reading McCreary's grand jury testimony, it certainly appears in fact Paterno perjured himself if Paterno told the grand jury what he claims he did.

Prediction: He won't make it to Saturday as head coach.

chiefzilla1501 11-07-2011 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 8090271)
Holy Jesus.

Your comparing blowing the whistle on financial improprieties to blowing the whistle on a child molester?

Enron executives forced good people to knowingly fudge the books, and screw employees out of BILLIONS of dollars. Thousands lost their jobs and had their entire retirement savings completely wiped out. Putting people in the poorhouse to line your own pockets is really bad stuff, especially at Enron's level. I wouldn't sell that short. But fine, you want a better example? Nazi Germany. There's a ton of psych research on this. It happens when people are afraid of authority. Good people become very afraid and find themselves doing things they find despicable.

I know it's easy for us to stand on a soap box from afar and judge the guy. Personally, I think it took a lot of courage to say anything at all. Again, it's despicable that the PSU administration sat on it. And it's despicable that JoePa, a guy in a position of power, didn't do anything about it.

You're asking a lot of McQueary. He pulls Sandusky away, and everything he's worked his entire life for is taken away from him. His entire life.

BryanBusby 11-07-2011 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8090337)

You're asking a lot of McQueary. He pulls Sandusky away, and everything he's worked his entire life for is taken away from him. His entire life.

A job is pretty irrelevant when you're talking about not going directly to the police to report a man having sex with minors. What's so god damn hard to figure out about that? He chose not to, and now he's going to lose his job anyways and a lot of other minors were raped.

What a kick ass decision by "one of the good guys"

OnTheWarpath15 11-07-2011 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 8090346)
A job is pretty irrelevant when you're talking about not going directly to the police to report a man having sex with minors. What's so god damn hard to figure out about that? He chose not to, and now he's going to lose his job anyways and a lot of other minors were raped.

What a kick ass decision by "one of the good guys"

No, you're asking too much of him.

Holy shit.

Saul Good 11-07-2011 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by kysirsoze (Post 8081915)
How does someone walk in on a sixty year old man sexually assaulting a ten year old and simply report it to the head coach?

I don't want to get all "internet tought guy" but I gotta think that's something you don't just let play out and handle it later.

Some kids mature faster than others. Maybe the kid looked older than he was, and the guy thought he was 18. Perhaps he was a Big 10.

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Marcellus 11-07-2011 07:29 PM

There is so much wrong that happened in this mess its mind boggling. How it took this long to come out is shameful and disgusting.

Lots of jail time should be handed out to many people.

chiefzilla1501 11-07-2011 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 8090346)
A job is pretty irrelevant when you're talking about not going directly to the police to report a man having sex with minors. What's so god damn hard to figure out about that? He chose not to, and now he's going to lose his job anyways and a lot of other minors were raped.

What a kick ass decision by "one of the good guys"

Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment
Scary shit. Being afraid to turn on authority is human nature. I'd like to believe I'd act differently, but it's easy to say that from the sidelines. Let me ask you this. If you studied to be a lawyer. You spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on tuition, education, etc... Spent endless nights cramming for the bar. You land a great job. You work your ass off and finally earn some respect. You catch one of the partners doing something wildly inappropriate. This partner's a powerful guy. If you say a word about it, you not only lose your job, he can find a way to get you dis-barred, and he'll make sure to let everyone he knows to make sure you never get a decent job ever again. You've got a family and kids. You've got 30 years ahead of you. Now we're no longer talking about losing $100,000 a year, we're talking about losing $3 Million (over 30 years).

I'm a pretty ethical guy. But I believe if I saw a guy murdering someone on the street, my first reaction would be absolute fear. For my own life. I hate that that's the case, but I'm trying to be realistic. I think grilling a young, impressionable kid for not turning in probably the 2nd most powerful guy not just on the team, but even on campus... that's not as easy as we make it out to be from the sidelines.

OnTheWarpath15 11-07-2011 07:34 PM

I'm not sure which is more ridiculous.

You trying to defend McQueary, or thinking the guy would be blackballed from college football or any other job because he turned in a child molester.

Chiefnj2 11-07-2011 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8090337)
Personally, I think it took a lot of courage to say anything at all.

You're asking a lot of McQueary. He pulls Sandusky away, and everything he's worked his entire life for is taken away from him. His entire life.

Zilla, you are a coward of epic proportions. You think it took a lot of courage to walk away from a child being molested to tell your dad, but not attempt to stop the act?

His career will likely suffer a lot more now than if he had reported it and stopped it.

I'm sure he would have had trouble at job interviews "I'm the guy that was fired because I reported the coordinator was molesting children in the team shower. I'm sure you don't want someone like me on your team and that you'd prefer Joe Po and the rest of the staff that turned a blind eye to such a thing."


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