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I've finally changed my mind about Todd Haley (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=252827)

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Originally Posted by FringeNC (Post 8133191)

Haley seems like a beaten man. I won't be upset if he is fired, but I also wouldn't be upset if he was kept around. Nothing really matters until the QB position is addressed. Pioli made a huge bet on Cassel and lost big. Now the franchise is in chaos because of it.

Kinda seems that way. He just doesn't seem the same. Maybe he got the Suck For Luck memo a month after it was sent.

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Originally Posted by philfree (Post 8133284)

Kinda seems that way. He just doesn't seem the same. Maybe he got the Suck For Luck memo a month after it was sent.

Yeah, waaaaaaaay too late. Manning beat him to it AGAIN.... :banghead:

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Originally Posted by philfree (Post 8133284)

Kinda seems that way. He just doesn't seem the same. Maybe he got the Suck For Luck memo a month after it was sent.

Yea, & we are back to resorting to running the wildcat. The ****ing wildcat.

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Originally Posted by TEX (Post 8133031)

No chance. Our lines on BOTH sides are weak. Also , not much quality depth. To become a contender, you need good coaching. That's where the Chiefs fail. On game day, Haley is terrible.

The line play is being WAY over-analyzed.

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Originally Posted by Dartgod (Post 8132870)

I think that if Haley had ONE competent quarterback on the team, most of us would have a different opinion of him.

Amazing how that works.

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Originally Posted by DaWolf (Post 8133067)

I kinda see us like the 49ers last year in a sense. We've got good young talent, but we've got coaches who don't necessarily know what they want this team to be and how to coach them to be that team. The most damning thing to me about Haley is that we have no identity. Some of that is injuries, but I lay a lot of that on his promotion of Muir to OC. Again, to me this is like Mike Singletary and Jimmy Raye. You've got guys who are showing that they don't really know how to put guys in positions to succeed. I get that there are injuries, but there is no excuse to getting blown out this many times.

I think you get a proven, veteran coach in here who knows how to drive guys and get them ready to compete, and who can actually work with other coaches so that you can bring in a bright mind at OC,6 then you sprinkle in some more talent through the draft, sign a few savvy free agents, and get your injured stars back, and we can be right back in the thick of it. Lots of people coming into the year were comparing us to where the Packers were a few years ago, when they went from 13-3 to 6-10, then back to 11-5. I see the makings of a good nucleus here. The critical difference, of course, is the lack of the franchise QB. But again that's where I go back to SF, because Harbaugh is proving that if you know what you are doing and give your team an identity and put guys in a position to succeed, you can still win with a guy like Smith...

They didbhave an identity last year. Play to protect the quarterbacks mistakes. Take Charles away and that identity disappears. The 49ers are the 2010 chiefs with better defensive talent and a slightly better qb. At least when they ask Smith to make plays he makes them.

What identity can you create for a team with no qb or rb in an increasingly offense driven league?

Haley has done a great job in getting our underachieving players like Johnson, Hali and Bowe to come up to a Pro-Bowl calibre. I still don't see a plan on the offense. Its kind of hard to plan when playing in the NFL with a HS QB but really? The defense takes a step backward for every step forward.

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Originally Posted by whoman69 (Post 8133607)

Thought the plan was good last year. The strength is the receivers and you just can't build on that. It's either the qb or the rb. Usually the qb. How do you build a plan around receivers? Arizona couldn't do it.

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Originally Posted by whoman69 (Post 8133607)

Hali and Bowe were not underachieving prior to Haley's arrival.

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8133639)

Hali and Bowe were not underachieving prior to Haley's arrival.

They are better players with the new regime. Period.

Name me a single player you think is underachievimg besides cassel. He has made lemonade out of mostly lemons.

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 8131921)

I do not think that Haley will get fired. I think Matt Cassel will be the starting QB next season. But I think we invest our 1st on a QB. I also think we make a couple of good acquisitions for the OLine. I also think a few weeks from now we will see some of our rookies gets some playing experience to use towards next season.

Next year will be year 4 - far too many holes still to fill. :shake:

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Originally Posted by Dartgod (Post 8132870)

I think that if Haley had ONE competent quarterback on the team, most of us would have a different opinion of him.

Yeah, we'd be losing important games instead of meaningless ones.

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8133293)

The line play is being WAY over-analyzed.

No way. 3 players need to be replaced on the OL and 2 on the DL. Nothing is being over - analyzed. Both lines need substantial improvement.

How many players show up to camp out of shape? How many good players have we re-signed on the cheap? I can only think of a handful of games where our team played without heart. There is a difference between being outmatched and beaten to submission and being outplayed.

I don't get why people obsess over game managers. If you want a guy to manage games then hire norv Turner. I'd rather a guy who coaches a good team. Haley does that. I want a 2 year extension and a concerted effort to get him a real qb. We spend endless threads btiching about the importance of a qb then we expect Haley to win with below average qbs. Doesn't make any sense.

Welcome to Club Reality. The guy's a moron, as I and others have known for a while, and anyone who doesn't see it yet will realize their mistake sooner or later. Likely sooner. Definitely sooner.