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NJChiefsFan 12-01-2011 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Urc Burry (Post 8157904)
Really there is no other position to even consider where we are picking. Although I wouldn't be upset if Kalil slipped to us, even though I'm fine with Albert at LT. Also I'm very high on Trent Richardson. I think he will surpass AP's career. Burfict may of been in the conversation in Belchers spot but I think its safe to say hes ****ed that up this season.
As far as the arguement of needing to fix those spots its alright but this organization needs to stop the bleeding and make a statement. The roster talent isn't that bad, certainly the starters are decent. All that becomes clear if we find a QB. We certainly have the money to go get RT or NT if the situation comes up.

Its just time to take a chance. If we do and it fails, then maybe we get really lucky and Stanzi or even Orton works out. We can't afford to take that chance. To me its a much bigger gamble to pass on a QB or not trade up and let Orton/Stanzi/Cassel lead the group of players we have locked up. To me the question of which is a bigger gamble isn't even close.

rico 12-01-2011 01:21 AM
I have spent a lot of time watching videos of Luck, Barkley and RG3 lately. I have watched Luck all year and watched Barkley in the Stanford vs. USC game. Not to mention, an array of youtube vids. Anyways, I may be in the minority here, but the one who impresses me the most out of all three of them is RG3. Luck is dynamite for sure as well... I don't think anyone in the right mind would question that, but Barkley.... he seems to be slow on his feet, have a slow release and overthrow his receivers a lot. I watched Landry Jones vs. Texas, in which OU killed them, but to be honest.... something about the guy reminded me a lot of Cassel so I didn't want to watch him for the remainder of the year. I'd be very upset if the Chiefs ended up with him.

I am calling hype on Barkley and Jones and yes I am aware of Barkley's 39/7 TD/Int... due to the eye test, I'm still not convinced.

NJChiefsFan 12-01-2011 01:28 AM
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Originally Posted by ricoswaff (Post 8157943)
I have spent a lot of time watching videos of Luck, Barkley and RG3 lately. I have watched Luck all year and watched Barkley in the Stanford vs. USC game. Not to mention, an array of youtube vids. Anyways, I may be in the minority here, but the one who impresses me the most out of all three of them is RG3. Luck is dynamite for sure as well... I don't think anyone in the right mind would question that, but Barkley.... he seems to be slow on his feet, have a slow release and overthrow his receivers a lot. I watched Landry Jones vs. Texas, in which OU killed them, but to be honest.... something about the guy reminded me a lot of Cassel so I didn't want to watch him for the remainder of the year. I'd be very upset if the Chiefs ended up with him.

I am calling hype on Barkley and Jones and yes I am aware of Barkley's 39/7 TD/Int... due to the eye test, I'm still not convinced.
The only full game I have seen of RG3 was the game against OU and as great as he looked at times, he over-threw his recievers a lot in that game. I like what I see from him a lot, but I haven't seen enough to make me think passing-wise he is above Barkley right now.

Barkley has sold me a lot more as of late. To me its really close right now and I would be happy with either one of them.

Reality is, that even if the schedule plays out in our favor across the league, we may be taking the 3rd QB in this draft. Not only can a few teams that need a QB finish ahead of us, but a trade is always an option for teams like MIA or WAS. I doubt Pioli trades up for a QB. We can't even be sure we take one at all. Even if we do want a QB the choice may be made for us. I just hope we have a shot at one of them.

ILChief 12-01-2011 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by JCharles1981 (Post 8157649)
Plain and simple, the Chiefs ALWAYS pass up a great opportunity to draft a superstar potential QB. They've passed on John Elway, Joe Montana, Dan Marino, and Brett Favre when each of them could have easily been snatched up in the first round of the drafts they were in by the Chiefs. Problem is, the Chiefs' ball club are extremely bull-headed in this area and refuse to kick the habit of signing career back ups that sucked with other squads. Matt Cassell is the 3rd "so-called" QBOTF on the Chiefs since 1998 to have failed to meet the team's standards of what they look for in a QB of the Future. Elvis Grbac and Trent Green were the other two failed QBOTF's.

The Chiefs need a head coach that has the leadership of a guy like Bill Cowher or Don Shula, and an Offensive Coordinator that has multiple offensive strategies in case the first couple of strategies end up failing the team. And, they need a GM that has the enthusiasm of Carl Peterson, but is bold enough to think outside the box and give younger players at core offensive positions (QB, WR, RB) a fighting chance for longer than a year.
Actually if you look back at the last 10 to 15 years they haven't really had an opportunity to draft any quarterbacks that have turned out to be great other than Rogers and Brady

MahiMike 12-01-2011 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 8157146)
you can shove flynn up stanzi's ass and throw them both off a bridge...

anything that is not drafting a 1rd round QB next year is a complete and total ****ing disaster...
So if Flynn was drafted in the 2nd round, would that make him play any better?

MahiMike 12-01-2011 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Munson (Post 8157244)
Drafting Richardson would also be an insurance policy. Nobody knows if Charles will ever be the same after the knee injury. Maybe he won't have the same speed and agility, or maybe he gets injured again. I hope he comes back 100%, but you just never know.
Richardson = LJ
Charles = Priest

Same deal. We need other players.

Fansy the Famous Bard 12-01-2011 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 8158059)
So if Flynn was drafted in the 2nd round, would that make him play any better?
No, but it'd be a better indication of his level 'o talent according to the professional scouts.

Sofa King 12-01-2011 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by JCharles1981 (Post 8157649)
Plain and simple, the Chiefs ALWAYS pass up a great opportunity to draft a superstar potential QB. They've passed on John Elway, Joe Montana, Dan Marino, and Brett Favre when each of them could have easily been snatched up in the first round of the drafts they were in by the Chiefs. Problem is, the Chiefs' ball club are extremely bull-headed in this area and refuse to kick the habit of signing career back ups that sucked with other squads. Matt Cassell is the 3rd "so-called" QBOTF on the Chiefs since 1998 to have failed to meet the team's standards of what they look for in a QB of the Future. Elvis Grbac and Trent Green were the other two failed QBOTF's.

The Chiefs need a head coach that has the leadership of a guy like Bill Cowher or Don Shula, and an Offensive Coordinator that has multiple offensive strategies in case the first couple of strategies end up failing the team. And, they need a GM that has the enthusiasm of Carl Peterson, but is bold enough to think outside the box and give younger players at core offensive positions (QB, WR, RB) a fighting chance for longer than a year.
A shitload of teams passed on those QB's you mentioned, but way to live in the past.... No mention that we have a new owner and new front office with no connection to those years.

Trent Green wasn't a failed QB for us. He was actually very good. It was the horseshit defense that ****ed us.

And Bill Cowher? Get the **** outta here. 1 SB ring in 15 ****ing years.... No coaches get 15 years anymore, and they shouldn't.

Sofa King 12-01-2011 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by eric007 (Post 8157679)
WHAT WE NEED IS CLARK TO SELL THE TEAM TO A GUY WITH BALLS.OTHER WISE ITS GOING TO BE THE SAME WALMART MENTALITY .REAL TALK
How is this obvious troll not banned yet?

Deberg_1990 12-01-2011 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Sofa King (Post 8158100)
A shitload of teams passed on those QB's you mentioned, but way to live in the past.... No mention that we have a new owner and new front office with no connection to those years.

Trent Green wasn't a failed QB for us. He was actually very good. It was the horseshit defense that ****ed us.

And Bill Cowher? Get the **** outta here. 1 SB ring in 15 ****ing years.... No coaches get 15 years anymore, and they shouldn't.
He also failed to mention we passed on Aaron Rodgers as well......but who keeps track of these things? : )


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the Talking Can 12-01-2011 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 8158059)
So if Flynn was drafted in the 2nd round, would that make him play any better?

Steve Bono Grbac Cassel Green Flynn can get bent....i don't have a ****ing clue why anyone would want to bank our franchise on him...

Frankie 12-01-2011 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by ricoswaff (Post 8157943)
I have spent a lot of time watching videos of Luck, Barkley and RG3 lately. I have watched Luck all year and watched Barkley in the Stanford vs. USC game. Not to mention, an array of youtube vids. Anyways, I may be in the minority here, but the one who impresses me the most out of all three of them is RG3. Luck is dynamite for sure as well... I don't think anyone in the right mind would question that, but Barkley.... he seems to be slow on his feet, have a slow release and overthrow his receivers a lot. I watched Landry Jones vs. Texas, in which OU killed them, but to be honest.... something about the guy reminded me a lot of Cassel so I didn't want to watch him for the remainder of the year. I'd be very upset if the Chiefs ended up with him.

I am calling hype on Barkley and Jones and yes I am aware of Barkley's 39/7 TD/Int... due to the eye test, I'm still not convinced.
I won't be upset to get Landry Jones at all. Provided we don't reach. And I've been calling hype on RG3 much to angry opposition here. His accuracy and ability to fit the ball in tight locations, based on MY eye test, is sadly lacking. In the games I have watched him HE was the one who overthrew his opponents and displayed a fairly slow release.

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 8157947)
The only full game I have seen of RG3 was the game against OU and as great as he looked at times, he over-threw his recievers a lot in that game.
This. He only completed passes to ridiculously wide open receivers and missed almost all tight coverage passes.

rico 12-01-2011 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 8157947)
The only full game I have seen of RG3 was the game against OU and as great as he looked at times, he over-threw his recievers a lot in that game. I like what I see from him a lot, but I haven't seen enough to make me think passing-wise he is above Barkley right now.

Barkley has sold me a lot more as of late. To me its really close right now and I would be happy with either one of them.

Reality is, that even if the schedule plays out in our favor across the league, we may be taking the 3rd QB in this draft. Not only can a few teams that need a QB finish ahead of us, but a trade is always an option for teams like MIA or WAS. I doubt Pioli trades up for a QB. We can't even be sure we take one at all. Even if we do want a QB the choice may be made for us. I just hope we have a shot at one of them.
That makes sense. I admit, a lot of what I have seen from Barkley was from earlier on in the year. As mentioned, I watched the Stanford game and thought he threw the ball well, but still thought his feet looked slow and his release was slow. I watched another USC vs. an inferior opponent (I think it was Duke) and although the stats probably won't show it, I thought some of his throws in that game were atrocious, especially earlier on in the game. It does make me feel better about him considering he has looked better in more recent games. I didn't see the UCLA game, but saw him interviewed by Rome and it sounds as if he and the whole USC team did well. If anything, by watching USC, I noticed how good those young receivers are....along with Matt Kalil.

bevischief 12-01-2011 12:51 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ft-evaluation/

Matt Barkley files for draft evaluation
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on December 1, 2011, 8:58 AM EST

USC quarterback Matt Barkley has submitted paperwork to the NFL draft advisory board to help him decide whether he’ll go pro this year, according to ESPNLosAngeles.com.

This is a normal procedure, but it’s the logical next step for the USC junior. Barkley joined NBC SportsTalk on Thursday and admitted that he’s “possibly” played his last game at USC.

Mike Mayock joined Peter King’s NFL podcast this week that Barkley was better than he expected. Mayock pointed out that Barkley does a great job making quick decisions, while avoiding sacks and interceptions despite playing behind a mediocre offensive line.

Mayock said Barkley’s physical skill set isn’t overwhelming, but he looks like a first round pick. Barkley was compared to a more “polished” Andy Dalton coming out of school.

Considering the sanctions against USC, we’d guess that Barkley will go pro if the draft advisory board agrees with Mayock as expected and says Barkley’s a first round pick.

rico 12-01-2011 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Frankie (Post 8158382)
I won't be upset to get Landry Jones at all. Provided we don't reach. And I've been calling hype on RG3 much to angry opposition here. His accuracy and ability to fit the ball in tight locations, based on MY eye test, is sadly lacking. In the games I have watched him HE was the one who overthrew his opponents and displayed a fairly slow release.



This. He only completed passes to ridiculously wide open receivers and missed almost all tight coverage passes.
:) A lot of preferences seem to be based on which games people watched. When I watched Baylor the couple times I did this year combined with the highlights, RG3 was spot on. However, I don't doubt for a second that both of you have seen him in games where he played sloppy and overthrew receivers... there wouldn't be any reason to make that up. It makes me wish I had the time and access to watch every one of the games played by these potential franchise QB's so I could form more of an accurate opinion.

For some reason, I keep thinking there is a sleeper pick in there that may succeed moreso than these other prospects.

I don't know what it is about Landry Jones that reminds me of Cassel... his mechanics, his release, I don't know... but I got a sick feeling in my gut when I first watched the guy play because my first thought was, Cassel. Haha, how sad is that? Mere flashes of Cassel in another player can give Chief fans a sick feeling in their guts. To Landry's defense though, I didn't see him pull the infamous Cassel-crappage when he was under pressure.


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