Originally Posted by KILLER_CLOWN (Post 8448251)

My point is we need a backup anyway, if Orton can be had cheap enough why not.

Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 8448246)

IMO, if Orton is available for backup prices, it's a no-brainer to sign him as Cassel's competition unless a better option (e.g. Manning) is available. The more interesting question is Cassel plus a lesser version of competition (e.g. Brady Quinn or Jason Campbell) versus a 3 year commitment to Orton.

Originally Posted by Bump (Post 8448193)

is that the only option? 1 year of Cassel or 3 or 4 years of Orton? No, it's not. Orton is 100 times better than Cassel. He's been around and has probably learned from his experiences with different coaches and probably got better for it. Orton might be able to win us a playoff game, Cassel will never be able to do that. I'll take Orton for a year or 2 and draft Tannehill, if he makes it past Cleveland.

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8448341)

You're assuming Orton wants to deal with competition. He's said publicly he wants to be a starter...

Originally Posted by KILLER_CLOWN (Post 8448344)

Wanting to and being a starter are two different things..

Originally Posted by KILLER_CLOWN (Post 8448344)

Wanting to and being a starter are two different things, Will he retire as opposed to being a backup?

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8448363)

Certainly not.

But don't you think he'll go to a place where he might have a CHANCE to start vs. being forced to compete with a guy that is arguably a lesser talent and a huge head start?

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 8447924)

I don't know how anyone could watch the way Orton played last season vs. the way Cassel played last season and see them as the same caliber player.

Orton did basic quarterback things like look of DBs and slide his protection that Cassel never did. He kept plays alive and found his 3rd reads unlike Cassel. He kept drives moving; even the ones that stalled in the red zone (often with a Bowe drop, a Jones stumble or an O'Connell...well whatever the !@#$ O'Connell did); unlike Cassel.

The eye test couldn't have yielded more dissimilar results. He simply plays the position correctly. Sometimes he's too aggressive, but with a defense like the Chiefs will have next season, that's fine; aggressive can be good.

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8448341)

You're assuming Orton wants to deal with competition. He's said publicly he wants to be a starter...

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8448147)

Once they got into the red zone, the offense stalled. That's been a knock on Orton his ENTIRE year.

There's also the fact that he threw for 300 yards against Green Bay and Oakland but then went to Denver and put up a Cassel-like 15-29 for 150 yards.

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8448340)

Part of the reason he expressed disinterest in KC originally is because he didn't want to deal with the whole Cassel situation.

Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 8448381)

No argument there. But let's not forget they were missing their best RB and TE and the play calling was suspect at best.

I am not saying Orton is great or above average or maybe even average but he is better than Cassel by a country mile. I would rather have neither of them unless in a backup role but because the Chiefs are ****ing stupid it looks like they are the only option at this point.

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 8448404)

I believe htis' position is that he would rather just go with Cassel this year ... suck ... get everyone cut/fired ... get a high draft pick ... move forward.

Instead of getting moderate improvement from Orton and keep inching forward.

Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 8448381)

No argument there. But let's not forget they were missing their best RB and TE and the play calling was suspect at best.

I am not saying Orton is great or above average or maybe even average but he is better than Cassel by a country mile. I would rather have neither of them unless in a backup role but because the Chiefs are ****ing stupid it looks like they are the only option at this point.