At this point, both of them suck, and we have no idea what the future may hold for either.

They have to be counted against Pioli right now.

Especially Moeaki, who had a history of injury coming out.

Jeff Allen had a dogshit game Sunday, too.

And Jon Baldwin's impact on this offense has been minimal. Though, in his defense, greater than McCluster so far. LMAO

Pioli and Haley also worked for the Jets together iirc.

So, four guys out of 28 draftees? That's average?

:shake:

Succop? Totally unnecessary when Barth was on the roster.

Let's talk about the guys that Pioli unceremoniously cut.

How great would Babin have been opposite Hali? How about Pollard and Berry? And don't give a shit about Moeaki. What about Tom Crabtree? I'd take him over ****ing O'Connell!

Pioli passed on Graham, Hernandez and Gronk but traded up for an often injured Moeaki and he's supposed to get CREDIT for that?

Net gain: Houston.

ONE ****ING PLAYER IN FOUR DRAFTS! Woo-****ing-hoo!

The team looked exactly the same under Haley as it does right now, with the exception of when Weis was calling the plays. Other than that one season, they've looked like garbage and still do.

The Steelers forced Arians out for whatever reason, and now Todd's got an easy job. I congratulate him on his connections, but there wasn't anything wrong with their offense to begin with.

His fatal flaw is his handling of Cassel.

He needs to find a way to fix the qb position to save his job. His only hope at this point is Stanzi because we all know what Cassel and Quinn are.

I agree, but his drafts are looking worse and worse, and don't forget shitty head coaching hires.

There's not a lot to go on that actually suggests Pioli is a good GM.

At best you can say he's done an average job of improving the roster and horrible decisions at HC and QB have resulted in failure.

Jason Babin credits the scheme for his emergence. He has said multiple times that
this is the scheme he dominated in college at and that he really doesnt fit other ones. There is some merit to the fact that we maybe should have been the ones to realize that and not changed schemes and jettisoned him, but the guy was a bust before he got to KC and he still was one when he left...it's whatever.

I was one of the handful of guys that was pissed when Pollard was cut and he is now on a defense where he is used correctly (I have lots of posts from 2009 detailing how he SHOULD have been used and they are exactly how the Ravens use him now)...those two with Lewis as the third safety would have been ****ing great.

How much different do Gronk, Graham and Hernandez look because of Tom ****ing Brady and Drew Brees?...and how would Moeaki look in their positions? That gets us full circle on the fatal flaw point.

The Steelers forced BA out and brought in Haley because they know he was in a position where positive results were next to impossible and they recognized that he is a good coach that could make a difference for them.

Don't give me that "connections" shit, either. It's silly to think they would force a coach out (that is now a head coach on an interim basis) and brought in his replacements because of who his dad is.

Guys like:

Asamoah
Baldwin
McCluster
Winston
Breaston

Would be showing their true value if we didn't have a worthless turd at quarterback.

Don't forget, Orton had 2 300 yard games with these guys and no running game and he is mediocre.

If we find a way to get Geno Smith, these guys are gonna blow the **** up and the rest of the team will play energized and will seem to have "woken up" they have given up on Cassel just as we have.

Until then what if's dont matter, as of right now, all his draft picks have not been top notch.

Its all blah. Forsome reason though, even with the shitty ass qb, Bowe is the only WR that is consistent from week to week. Can only imagine what his numbers would be like if he had a good qb. Now there i go with the what ifs.

Want to know how to almost totally guarantee getting Geno Smith?

Trade Bowe before the deadline.

Think long and hard before you respond with death threats.

We wouldn't win a game without him and even if we do, the extra draft pick would give us the ammo to move up. Shit, package him and Dorsey and see what we can get.

A team like Miami or St Louis would probably bite....possibly Indy would jump in a help us get more for them.

Thinking about the long term big picture, this wouldn't be a bad choice.

3 years from now, we would be glad we did it.


-ducks-

Terrible idea.

You've lost it in this thread.

Dude, if trading Bowe brings us a franchise QB, DO IT RIGHT ****ING NOW.

There's a decent chance he may not even want to be here at all, no matter what.

Let's be honest, we have to trade Bowe.

Do you really think he's going to re-sign with us? Look at who he has had to play with at QB in his career. He knows firsthand how cheap ownership is. He knows how much of a dick Pioli is. Do you think that Hunt is going to pay him top dollar? It's clear that our GM and/or Clark Hunt undervalue the worth of players. Even the players we have re-signed under Pioli came at club-friendly contracts. I really doubt Bowe is going to take a "hometown discount" to stay with a team that appears to be going absolutely nowhere.

We need to trade Bowe before the deadline. We have to take what we can get for him. Even if it's a 2nd rounder. You cannot simpy let a player of his caliber walk away and get nothing in return for him. We could franchise him again next year, but I highly doubt he will put forth actual effort. He'll simply collect his paychecks and do his best to not get injured.

We have three options:
1. Trade Bowe and get what we can.
2. Keep Bowe and hope he re-signs (lol, failboat).
3. Franchise Bowe again and let him lol.

Going to have to agree with this guy. We're gonna lose Bowe at the end of the season anyways. Might as well get something for him and rebuild from there.