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Tombstone RJ 10-05-2012 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8980861)
... He has 1 more year on his contract, idiot.

Oh, I thought another poster said his contract is up as of 2012.

BigMeatballDave 10-05-2012 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 8980819)
There is no way that you extend a GM with 3 losing seasons out of four.

Next year we'll finance a banner asking Clark to sell the team.

:)

Ace Gunner 10-05-2012 09:56 PM

imo this team needs a pass rusher and a QB. They have enough at other positions to get going with those two upgrades.

chiefzilla1501 10-05-2012 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Lou_Zare (Post 8980907)
imo this team needs a pass rusher and a QB. They have enough at other positions to get going with those two upgrades.

They have 2 terrific pass rushers in Houston and Hali.

The defense is fine when the d-line is stunting and attacking vs. playing 2-gap. It's not a talent issue. It's scheme.

mcaj22 10-05-2012 10:11 PM

you need more than 2 pass rushers

a lot more.

you also need more than a midget nickel CB to cover WRs in pass happy offenses.

BossChief 10-05-2012 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 8980961)
you need more than 2 pass rushers

a lot more.

you also need more than a midget nickel CB to cover WRs in pass happy offenses.

Hali
Houston
DJ
Arenas (who is the same size as Flowers)
Berry

That's a decent pass rushing core when Romeo has turned the heat up, the DL has shown the potential to get pressure, too...again when they are getting the calls that let them attack instead of playing on their heels.

mcaj22 10-05-2012 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8980990)
Hali
Houston
DJ
Arenas (who is the same size as Flowers)
Berry

That's a decent pass rushing core when Romeo has turned the heat up, the DL has shown the potential to get pressure, too...again when they are getting the calls that let them attack instead of playing on their heels.

lol arenas and berry. i hope you are not serious.

most good teams have about 5 to 7 good pass rushers in their front 7. we have 2. DJ helps sometimes.

and thats why we have been consistency on the bottom of team sacks and rushing the passer year after year after year. the stats dont lie, under Pioli we have been one of the poorest teams rushing the passer.

FAX 10-05-2012 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 8981007)
lol arenas and berry. i hope you are not serious.

most good teams have about 5 to 7 good pass rushers in their front 7. we have 2. DJ helps sometimes.

and thats why we have been consistency on the bottom of team sacks and rushing the passer year after year after year. the stats dont lie, under Pioli we have been one of the poorest teams rushing the passer.

Actually, you shouldn't laugh at Arenas in this context. He's pretty darn good at blitzing, getting there, and closing the deal.

The amazing thing is that Roleo rarely (if ever) calls his number for this purpose.

FAX

beach tribe 10-06-2012 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 8980665)
He is 65 years old and rooted in his own style of coaching.

He is not going to change.

People that old don't change their ways.

You've been spot on in your assessment of Crennel so far, and much of this team as well.

Hats off. I was expecting much more. My apologies for jumping all over you for constantly pissing all over them before the season started. I thought you were either an idiot, or trolling. I was paying too much attention to all of the talent and over looking the fact that Crennel was over his head, and that Charles and the D could not cover up Cassel's complete lack of balls, and talent. Crennel's failures have destroyed the D, and I was an Idiot for thinking Cassel could be merely average.

For the first time during this regime, I have completely given up hope that these guys could get it done. I was WRONG.
"I have filled my heart with hate"
Down with them all.

beach tribe 10-06-2012 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 8980961)
you need more than 2 pass rushers

a lot more.

you also need more than a midget nickel CB to cover WRs in pass happy offenses.

Hali, and Houston, should both be double digit guys. DJ is not horrible at rushing the passer. We need more pass rushers, but Houston will go a long way toward boosting our sack total, and freeing up other guys, as it looks like he's a guy teams are going to have to take notice of.

beach tribe 10-06-2012 12:07 AM

Another reason our sack totals have been so low, is that Crennel is just not attacking the QB. Until that changes, it's not gonna matter who we have rushing the passer. More heat, might even free up guys like T Jack. (might)

FAX 10-06-2012 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 8981215)
Another reason our sack totals have been so low, is that Crennel is just not attacking the QB. Until that changes, it's not gonna matter who we have rushing the passer. More heat, might even free up guys like T Jack. (might)

And it just might relieve the d-backs from having to cover receivers for 11 seconds.

FAX

Chief Roundup 10-06-2012 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 8981007)
most good teams have about 5 to 7 good pass rushers in their front 7.

Your number is a little high there. There are only 7 in any Defense's front 7. Not every LB and DL can rush the passer on ANY team.

NJChiefsFan 10-06-2012 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 8981229)
Your number is a little high there. There are only 7 in any Defense's front 7. Not every LB and DL can rush the passer on ANY team.

Yeah saying most teams have 5 to 7 of their 7 being good pass rushers is an extreme stretch. The point of having depth in that category is a good one. But even the great pass rushing teams don't have 7 of 7, and certainly not most teams have 5 to 7.

mcaj22 10-06-2012 04:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 8981229)
Your number is a little high there. There are only 7 in any Defense's front 7. Not every LB and DL can rush the passer on ANY team.

good teams like the 49ers, Giants, etc roll out like 5 pass rushers on passing downs.

i thought that was understanding, we are talking strictly rushing the passer not base defense


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