Originally Posted by PGM (Post 9064060)

Buck, I just bought this because of your suggestion. Let's see if this helps me finally get some good sleep at night.

Originally Posted by PGM (Post 9064060)

Buck, I just bought this because of your suggestion. Let's see if this helps me finally get some good sleep at night.

Originally Posted by NewChief (Post 9064095)

Don't forget to think about trains.

Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 9052686)

No one kills themselves because of test. Jesus. As noted, there was probably some underlying depression but the amount of test these guys get on HRT is just enough to bring it to normal levels. I mean, I know guys shooting 3+ grams of test a week. Far as I know they are still alive.

Originally Posted by Aspengc8 (Post 9065678)

This.

Originally Posted by NewChief (Post 9052672)

Not saying it was the sole cause, but both wives have reported that their husbands had recently started testosterone therapy a year or so prior to the suicide. That being said, they may have started the therapy due to an underlying depression. Correlation doesn't equate causation, and I'm aware of that.

I'm still skeptical, but I tend to be skeptical about most things. If it's too good to be true, then it likely is.

Originally Posted by NewChief (Post 9052747)

Here's the deal: doctors are prescribing test now just like they prescribe adderall. You pay some high dollars, pull up at a "clinic", where the parking lots if filled with high dollar japanese and european SUVs, pay a premium "consultation" fee, and you get the drug/hormone/supplement of your choice from benzos to stims to test to HGH.

We have tons of friends who do it for adderall and quite a few who do it for test. Their "diagnosis" ranges from adult ADHD, to need for weight loss (for waifish women), to adult depression.

It's just like when my friends in college used to make trips down to Mexico to the pharms down there to pick up benzos and opiates, except now you can do it right at your friendly neighborhood quack. It's not that I'm skeptical of the benefits of test, I'm skeptical of how its being used and all the societal/class bullshit that goes along with this method of drug dispensation. ****ers are getting locked up for life for slinging some weed on the street corner, but legal quacks are doling this stuff out to the rich under the aegis of the law. It's bullshit, and test has become part of that whole thing.

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY (Post 9065761)

This is why years ago during the Bush administration they went after the small pharm who was producing some great products so they wouldn't have any competition when they opened these. Now you have seen exactly what I predicted come to fruition.

They have been doing this in Europe for a very long time. This is the first time I have heard of anything bad coming from it other than a little added aggression. Heaven forbid a male be aggressive in this country. Don't they know their balls are supposed to be kept in a locked box on the mantel?

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY (Post 9065761)

This is why years ago during the Bush administration they went after the small pharm who was producing some great products so they wouldn't have any competition when they opened these. Now you have seen exactly what I predicted come to fruition.

They have been doing this in Europe for a very long time. This is the first time I have heard of anything bad coming from it other than a little added aggression. Heaven forbid a male be aggressive in this country. Don't they know their balls are supposed to be kept in a locked box on the mantel?

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY (Post 9065710)

The misinformation on steroids is mind boggling. Good god, people will believe anything.

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY (Post 9065710)

The misinformation on steroids is mind boggling. Good god, people will believe anything.