His contract now makes it tougher for them to add the talent around him f or him to win at the highest level.

So, his contract says he's good enough to win with sub par talent around him, talent he can raise the level of.

I don't think he can do that, this past year outside of his yardage, agrees with thats

Elway when he won the super bowl, was hardly the deciding factor in it as well.

Their defense, and their running game was the catalyst, oh, that and they got to play the mediocre Falcons, who miraculously broke Garrison Hearsts ankle in the first quarter, and had Gary Anderson, who hadn't missed a KICK ALL YEAR, miss an easy fg attempt or else those 98 Vikings probably would of stomped all over Denver.

10 probowl players on the roster.

How many games do we win if we didnt have

Berry
Charles
Bowe
Hali
DJ
Houston
Poe

?

Lol the Vikings. The NFC's Buffalo Bills.

Nope. I agree completely. He is good enough to win to the level of talent around him.

I completely agree. That is a concept that people refuse to accept as reality.

When the truth is, without his 5 top receivers Tom Brady looked like the Tom Brady of old. A game manager which he kinda was his first few years in the league before they added moss, and welker, then Hernandez, and gronk.

Its amazing to me how the elite qbs, usually are surrounded by immense talent, and no one puts two of these things together.

One, I said "get to" the Super Bowl. Most guys can't even get there (see Matt Ryan).

Not coincidentally, Brady hasn't won a Super Bowl since he got his first big contract. In fact, the Mannings are the only QBs that have to my knowledge...

How many more could you of won if you didn't have Fasano/ McBeard, Avery, and Mccluster as your supporting cast?

Lets not kid ourselves. Minus out the Bowe factor, and how many receivers could of replicated his numbers for the regular season?

Posing him, as a reason why the Chiefs won, is silly. Even in his best game of the season, two of his bad plays ultimately cost the Chiefs.

Now, im not mentioning alex smith, we aren't talking about him, obviously, he is to blame for some of that. But you SPECIFICALLY included BOWE.

he's 1-4, and every time hes lost in the playoffs, i believe hes lost to the team that represented the NFC in the Super Bowl that year.

it's not like hes losing games and blowing 28 point leads to marginal teams with no talent, no defense that get squashed the very next week in the divisional round, like the Chiefs do.

Exactly this.

Same for Joe Flacco.

Well that's SOOOO much better.

it's better than the Chiefs and their 10 pro bowlers and 0 wins

Beat me to it

I'm waiting on the response "quit looking at stat sheets"

Not that year they weren't. That year they were 15-1. Moss's rookie year.

Jake Reed, Robert Smith, Cris Carter, Randy Moss, Cunningham, John Randle and the terror squad. That team was LOADED.

Ouch.

But yet, when he lost Julio Jones, their entire team went to shit. Despite having All Pros Roddy White, Tony Gonzalez, and Stephen Jackson.

Meanwhile, Alex Smith loses Jamaal Charles 6 plays in, and puts up over 400 yards of total offense, and 3 TDS.

not to mention that the Chiefs then lost Flowers, Houston, Charles back up in Kniles Davis, and oh, the Chiefs had Kendrick Lewis. Every opposing teams 12th man.

Oh, and yes, HE DID BLOW A HUGE LEAD. They were up huge on the Seahawks two years ago. But, they ended up winning the game anyways. But, of course his wr made the clutch play, the Chiefs all world wide receiver, couldn't stay in bounds.

So, Alex needs more talent around him than 10 probowlers....but Matt Ryan is garbage because e couldn't win with NOTHING but an 80 year old Tony Gonzalez on offense, a terrible defense and the worst running game I can remember.

People make all these claims about "Matt Ryan needs elite talent around him to win" and "Alex Smith is the better player"

While failing to acknowledge that we had 10 probowlers and couldn't hold a 28 point lead in the playoffs.