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The Franchise 03-12-2014 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10483969)
People are mad at losing Schwart but he is an average starter at best, that was his ceiling. No way that we were going to over pay him like the Giants did. It's not like he proved himself to be a top or even above average guard in the league; he was just better than what we currently had and people are treating him like the next coming of Larry Allen. Schwartz was a good run blocker but a poor pass protector; he was not worth what the Giants paid for him but good for him that he was able to get his pay day.

The only reason why he looked good, compared to our other interior guys, was because he was the most experienced.

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10483971)
Overpay him? Show me his contract details....otherwise you're just speculating.

Shut the **** about overpaying him now.

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 10484147)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>G/T Geoff Schwartz's deal with <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Giants&amp;src=hash">#Giants</a> is for 4 years worth $16.8 million, $6.2 million guaranteed (via <a href="https://twitter.com/Rand_Getlin">@Rand_Getlin</a>). <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23NYG&amp;src=hash">#NYG</a></p>&mdash; Art Stapleton (@art_stapleton) <a href="https://twitter.com/art_stapleton/statuses/443812920146022400">March 12, 2014</a></blockquote>
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tecumseh 03-12-2014 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 10483679)
cool, besides the fact that there is still a ****ing entire 2014 season to play.

I mean if this was like the Madden video game where we could sim through it right to 2015, that would be neat. But it isn't, so we still have to watch this team play an entire new season before you get to your "grass is greener/light at the end of the tunnel/Wizard of Oz yellow brick road" dream scenario.

Maybe you should take this season off. Take a mental health break.

OldSchool 03-12-2014 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10484168)
Shut the **** about overpaying him now.

Meh, he sucks in pass protection. Again, Chiefs fans and wanting to hang on to mediocre talent.

The Franchise 03-12-2014 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10484178)
Meh, he sucks in pass protection. Again, Chiefs fans and wanting to hang on to mediocre talent.

Keep reaching, reerun.

First it was he was going to get overpaid. Now he sucks in pass protection.

Exoter175 03-12-2014 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 10483666)
I'm anticipating several things here:

1. The Chiefs are only shopping in the bargain bin this offseason, and thus should bring in 4 compensatory picks next year (my guess: a 3rd, two 4ths, and a 5th).

2. The Chiefs could open up cap space for next year by releasing Tamba Hali, Brandon Flowers, and Sean Smith.

If the Chiefs do bring in 4 compensatory picks, they will have 11 picks, 9 picks in the first 5 rounds in 2015.

If the Chiefs do cut those players, which I reckon they might, that would open up about $24m in cap space. On top of the $24m they're already projected to have (pre-Alex Smith and pre-Justin Houston extensions which will take up cap space, and pre-Eric Berry extension, which will free some up), that'll leave the Chiefs with $48m in cap space in 2015.

That should be enough to account for extensions for Smith and Houston, and still have over $30m left over for tons of free agent signings if they so desire, and tons of draft picks to either (a.) trade for talent, or (b.) bring in great talent in the Draft.

Just some food for thought.

Is that accounting for the salary cap carry over? If not, we're going to be sitting closer to (likely) 51-54 million in that scenario.

I'm also thinking of this the same way, I believe we're going to fill depth needs and maybe snag a talent/potential starter or two, but otherwise stay relatively unnoticed in free agency and snag what I believe to be 2 3rds (Albert, Schwartz), a 4th (Jackson) and a 4th/5th (McCluster/Asamoah) depending on production.

OldSchool 03-12-2014 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10484182)
Keep reaching, reerun.

First it was he was going to get overpaid. Now he sucks in pass protection.

He does suck in pass pro. You're going to argue differently?

The Franchise 03-12-2014 12:31 PM

2 sacks in 7 games. Wow....he sucks so bad.

The Franchise 03-12-2014 12:33 PM

Fisher on the other hand gave up 8.5 in 13 games.

RealSNR 03-12-2014 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10484190)
He does suck in pass pro. You're going to argue differently?

As a RG, he's adequate. And for what he signed with the Giants, I'll take adequate. Sign that deal, watch the development of our undrafted/practice squad guys and Kush, and move on.

OldSchool 03-12-2014 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10484203)
2 sacks in 7 games. Wow....he sucks so bad.

Anyone with decent quickness could be Schwartz pretty easily. He's going to get Manning killed if he is playing OT for them.

ct 03-12-2014 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10484168)
Shut the **** about overpaying him now.

seriously, that sucks. thought he'd be getting more than that, i'd have gladly paid that.

Mecca 03-12-2014 12:50 PM

No one really knows what the **** the Chiefs are gonna do. Dorsey comes from a team that doesn't play FA while Reid's history says he does.

Either way this is a rebuilding team, in 2 years Hali, DJ, Flowers and probably Charles unless you want to shell at big bucks for a near 30 RB will need to be replaced.

mcaj22 03-12-2014 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by tecumseh (Post 10484171)
Maybe you should take this season off. Take a mental health break.

just like the Chiefs are doing apparently

RealSNR 03-12-2014 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 10484260)
No one really knows what the **** the Chiefs are gonna do. Dorsey comes from a team that doesn't play FA while Reid's history says he does.

Either way this is a rebuilding team, in 2 years Hali, DJ, Flowers and probably Charles unless you want to shell at big bucks for a near 30 RB will need to be replaced.

They need at least 2-3 of last year's draft picks to step up and be adequate starters for the future. The Chiefs gotta stop drafting guys that wind up being okay special teamers for 2 years who get washed out after their rookie deals are up or the team gives up on them in training camp.

I'm talking about players like Nico Johnson. It would have been nice if he could have played more defensive snaps, especially considering that Akeem Jordan barely played that many as a starter. Nico's status going into next year is unknown, but needless to say his rookie year was disappointing. His arrow is pointing down, and if he continues to struggle, he's basically done.

We wouldn't need to look like a rebuilding team if we started hitting on players like those. We'd instead be a team like the Steelers, where if one dude is old and/or injured, it's the next man up with no loss of production.

If our drafts are going to keep looking like 2013's, we'll have that problem.

Mecca 03-12-2014 01:05 PM

If this team really whiffed on an OT a TE and a LB with it's first 3 picks last year that's terrible for a multitude of reasons. One of which is those are 3 of the safest positions to draft.


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