ahem...THIS

Zach Martin is very much in play for pick 23.

Just think about it. We have little else behind Fisher and Stephenson, Allen sucks, RG is unsettled, and Martin can fit into any of those positions to become Andy Reid's next Evan Mathis. Both Reid and Dorsey love versatility in their OL players. It's too good to be true for them if Martin falls to 23.

I do have some hope (or maybe it's the koolaid) that he's got some playa in him. I'll take a former 6th round OG who they very much liked but couldn't stick on a superbowl caliber roster over a 1st round OG anyday. Yet I admit it could be the koolaid.

Ah I remember a few drafts ago, how excited I was when the Giants took Ron Dayne, when so freakin many drafturbators had us on his jock. DAMN I was so relieved!!!

Also add in a similar story for big Mike Williams going to Detroit, whew, major bullet dodged!

I look forward to Zach Martin getting selected before 23.

Reid loved Danny Watkins for the same reasons.

And Martin gives us a guard replacement. If Fisher or Stephenson go down, do you REALLY want him stepping in at tackle? I mean, Jeff Allen would have been in the exact same position to step in at tackle if need be, only one year removed from being the starting LT all three years in college. But we never even considered him as a swing option for guard or tackle.

I'm fine with versatility from our backups. That's just fine and dandy. But I don't want our starting guard shifting over in the middle of a game and bringing up the backup to fill his spot. That makes ZERO sense. You've basically got TWO backups filling in instead of one in that case. Dumb. Dumb dumb dumb.

**** Zach Martin. **** Su'a Filo. **** Chance Warmack. **** David DeCastro. **** Mike Iupati.

**** drafting guards in the first round. Ever.

:spock: Schwartz didn't start a single game for the Vikings.

He didn't say that he started did he? He said he played well for them.

How the hell can you tell that? Schwarz only came in as an extra lineman or during field goals that year. He had less than 10 snaps in the majority of games that season.

Schwartz is terribly overrated on this forum. He's not even an average guard. There's a reason he's started more than 3 games only twice in his career.

not going to happen ... Johnson,Hudson,kush etc are going to compete for the RG spot.

There will be a viable WR there at #23 to take like Cook or Lee. Unless someone falls unexpectedly that we decide it too good to pass up.

Man, I really wanted them to draft Alex Mack back in 2009.

****ing Gus Bradley knows how to build a team.

Backups can't play well.....got it.

They're backups for 6 years for a reason.

Not everything can be said about a player in his resume, dude. I don't know why you, Sac, and sapho are making such a big deal about the "Four teams in four yearsssszzzz!!!!" crap. He's STARTED games before he came to us as a reserve lineman. When he came here as a reserve lineman, he played WELL for us. Does any other shit ****ing matter other than that? When James Harrison got his first starts for the Steelers, did they give a shit about his up-and-down resume before looking to him for the next season?

I don't care if he came in as just a guy. When he played for us, it was okay. He wasn't this massive ****up like Linkenbach has only ever been his entire career with the Colts. We KNOW what Schwartz is, and that's consistency. That's his entire value. It's not Will Shields, but he doesn't need to be. He doesn't even need to be a top 10 guard, which he's not. That's all I or anybody has ever said about him. I fail to see how that in any way is overrating the player.

And if you want to still call it overrating, then I'd rather overrate Schwartz than draft guard at #1, and I'd rather start Schwartz than Rishaw Johnson or Jeff Linkenbach.

So you hope.

Naw, I think he's got more than just hope here. This is a deep draft and there will be a good WT there.

Regarding the RG position, their actions suggest that the reason they let Schwartz and Asuckamoah walk is because they felt they had their replacement on the roster. Id be shocked if they go Guard at 1.23.