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jd1020 09-09-2014 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 10898033)
No, it's not. It's moving the goalposts because I destroyed your other point.

How does one move the goalposts from $45M to $45M? Seems to me that they are the same number.

Only a dumbass would argue that Alex didn't get $45M guaranteed because the remaining $26M doesn't kick in til March.

O.city 09-09-2014 06:28 PM

Pioli didn't walk into a dumpster fire. He walked into a young talented up and coming roster with the 3 pick in the draft at his disposal.

Dorsey didn't walk into this great situation/talented roster Pioli did. Some will point to the pro bowlers, yes, but outside of that, there wasn't a bit of depth anywhere on this team.

It needed to be gutted the minute Reid and Dorsey took over, but they were either to dumb/arrogant to do it, or were more likely told by the owner to get this thing back to respectability ASAP.

Now that they've done that, they get a chance to do what they (hopefully) wanted to do from the beginning. The Alex Smith deal was dumb, as was his extension. I'm no capologist so I'll let you guys argue the merits of getting out of it now, but in the past, Reid hasn't been against moving on from QB's with big contracts, but I doubt he does it here.

And even as less impactful as it was last year, Dorsey's first draft is infinitely better than Pioli's first and it's still early to determine a draft class.

We also are apparently going to have alot of draft picks next year, so it's time to torpedo this thing. Get as high of a pick in each round as you can, trade Tamba or anyone over the age of 26 thats tradable. Get picks.

Rebuild this thing the way it should be.

ILChief 09-09-2014 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 10897965)
Systematically dismantled? He didn't overpay to keep Albert and released Flowers. In what way is that systematically dismantling.

OMG we lost Dexter and Jon Asamoah

O.city 09-09-2014 06:37 PM

They systematically dismantled a roster full of players that didn't win anything, and were likely infected by the previous regime's lack of discipline and holding one accountable.

ChiefsCountry 09-09-2014 06:47 PM

2010 season ****ed this franchise hard as well. That playoff game was worthless in the scheme of things. The talent in 2011 draft that was available could have been very helpful for this franchise going forward.

chiefzilla1501 09-09-2014 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10898172)
Pioli didn't walk into a dumpster fire. He walked into a young talented up and coming roster with the 3 pick in the draft at his disposal.

Dorsey didn't walk into this great situation/talented roster Pioli did. Some will point to the pro bowlers, yes, but outside of that, there wasn't a bit of depth anywhere on this team.

It needed to be gutted the minute Reid and Dorsey took over, but they were either to dumb/arrogant to do it, or were more likely told by the owner to get this thing back to respectability ASAP.

Now that they've done that, they get a chance to do what they (hopefully) wanted to do from the beginning. The Alex Smith deal was dumb, as was his extension. I'm no capologist so I'll let you guys argue the merits of getting out of it now, but in the past, Reid hasn't been against moving on from QB's with big contracts, but I doubt he does it here.

And even as less impactful as it was last year, Dorsey's first draft is infinitely better than Pioli's first and it's still early to determine a draft class.

We also are apparently going to have alot of draft picks next year, so it's time to torpedo this thing. Get as high of a pick in each round as you can, trade Tamba or anyone over the age of 26 thats tradable. Get picks.

Rebuild this thing the way it should be.

I don't get it either.

There are still people who blame herm for the team he inherited.

Pioli inherited an unbelievable team. Great young talent, lots of cap space, few bad contracts.

Dorsey didn't inherit a good situation. He did make it worse through shit signings last year. His draft picks look like shit. But it's still way too soon to know.

New World Order 09-09-2014 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10898172)
Pioli didn't walk into a dumpster fire. He walked into a young talented up and coming roster with the 3 pick in the draft at his disposal.

Dorsey didn't walk into this great situation/talented roster Pioli did. Some will point to the pro bowlers, yes, but outside of that, there wasn't a bit of depth anywhere on this team.

It needed to be gutted the minute Reid and Dorsey took over, but they were either to dumb/arrogant to do it, or were more likely told by the owner to get this thing back to respectability ASAP.

Now that they've done that, they get a chance to do what they (hopefully) wanted to do from the beginning. The Alex Smith deal was dumb, as was his extension. I'm no capologist so I'll let you guys argue the merits of getting out of it now, but in the past, Reid hasn't been against moving on from QB's with big contracts, but I doubt he does it here.

And even as less impactful as it was last year, Dorsey's first draft is infinitely better than Pioli's first and it's still early to determine a draft class.

We also are apparently going to have alot of draft picks next year, so it's time to torpedo this thing. Get as high of a pick in each round as you can, trade Tamba or anyone over the age of 26 thats tradable. Get picks.

Rebuild this thing the way it should be.


2 offseasons is plenty of time to add depth to a roster. Dorsey made the mistake of doing nothing to address positions that were clearly lacking.

He walked onto a team that had a total of 7 quality pro bowl players. All the broke dick needed to do was address a few spots; instead he focuses on positions we don't/didn't need; for example selecting an OLB when we already have 2 quality pass rushers.

O.city 09-09-2014 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 10898494)
2 offseasons is plenty of time to add depth to a roster. Dorsey made the mistake of doing nothing to address positions that were clearly lacking.

He walked onto a team that had a total of 7 quality pro bowl players. All the broke dick needed to do was address a few spots; instead he focuses on positions we don't/didn't need; for example selecting an OLB when we already have 2 quality pass rushers.

Those 7 quality players are a bit overrated here by CP.

He has added depth to the roster. I don't think they cared to much about positions that are lacking, because in their minds, they weren't winning shit this year.

Of course signing Smith to a deal makes no sense, so maybe they're clueless. It's a possibility

O.city 09-09-2014 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 10898475)
I don't get it either.

There are still people who blame herm for the team he inherited.

Pioli inherited an unbelievable team. Great young talent, lots of cap space, few bad contracts.

Dorsey didn't inherit a good situation. He did make it worse through shit signings last year. His draft picks look like shit. But it's still way too soon to know.

I don't really get the "draft picks are shit".

Fisher hasn't been a HOFer at LT yet, but he's progressing there at a much faster rate than he was at RT. Really, the mistake there was keeping Albert instead of trading him for whatever they could get.

Kelce, Fisher, Davis, Kush, Cooper (UDFA) look like really good pickups.

cmh6476 09-09-2014 07:34 PM

because chiefs

mcaj22 09-09-2014 07:35 PM

if theres one thing that scum Pioli did right was he gave decent contracts out to our players and always had the team in cap flexibility. Partly because nobody that was FA wanted to play for him, but still. Dorsey took over a team that was like 30-40 million under the cap and in two years gave 20 million to a punter, 60 million to a 29 year old QB and 50 million to a 29 year old WR. And about another 30 million to a bunch of useless JAG FAs.

And ****ed our cap up for the next 2 years easy.

chiefzilla1501 09-09-2014 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10898557)
I don't really get the "draft picks are shit".

Fisher hasn't been a HOFer at LT yet, but he's progressing there at a much faster rate than he was at RT. Really, the mistake there was keeping Albert instead of trading him for whatever they could get.

Kelce, Fisher, Davis, Kush, Cooper (UDFA) look like really good pickups.

I should phrase that as they look like shit so far.

Believe me, I am consistent about giving guys 2 to 3 years of rope to develop. I'm not enthusiastic about the picks but I'll give it time. When you have the first pick in every round, need to do better than a few average hits. In 2 years of drafts, these picks need to improve a lot before we can feel good about what the front office has done.

New World Order 09-09-2014 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10898549)
Those 7 quality players are a bit overrated here by CP.

He has added depth to the roster. I don't think they cared to much about positions that are lacking, because in their minds, they weren't winning shit this year.

Of course signing Smith to a deal makes no sense, so maybe they're clueless. It's a possibility


What depth? Where? We certainly don't have any depth at the MLB position.

saphojunkie 09-09-2014 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 10898042)
How does one move the goalposts from $45M to $45M? Seems to me that they are the same number.

Only a dumbass would argue that Alex didn't get $45M guaranteed because the remaining $26M doesn't kick in til March.

So much fail.

notorious 09-09-2014 07:39 PM

Fans have waaaaay overated more then a few players, and like someone said before, they have not won a single meaningful game.


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