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MagicHef 01-19-2015 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by tooge (Post 11280663)
That play works great when you need one yard. and there are no receivers lined up outside the box. Line a CB and LB up to either side and he gets his head knocked off. Your use of that play to try to explain that Manning can run a bootleg is hilarious.

If you follow the conversation, I was using that example to show that Peyton has the physical capability to get outside the tackle box when the play fake is directed the other way.

Are you saying the CB or LB would not stay with the receiver if Peyton moved laterally? Sounds like an easy completion to me.

Brock 01-19-2015 04:21 PM

Peyton isn't going to run a bootleg offense. Too dumb to even discuss.

BigMeatballDave 01-19-2015 04:27 PM

Bootleg offense?

Alex Smith is his man.

We'll take 2 2nds.

listopencil 01-19-2015 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11280677)
48 times a season at minimum and 80 at maximum?

Come on, guys, we're talking about a 39 year old immobile statue. Once defenses see that on film and recognize it from the line of scrimmage, Manning is toast.

He'll end up on IR before the halfway mark.

Yeah, I don't see Manning doing a lot of bootleg runs like the video Hef posted. I'm talking plays where he keeps it by design and rolls then either hits a limited number of targets, throws it away or keeps rolling out of bounds depending on where he is relative to the LOS. I could see that that happening 3-5 times a game. What I would picture from Manning is a fake handoff with strong run action from the O-Line. The he turns in the pocket and throws it to an open guy once the Defense is fooled.

MagicHef 01-19-2015 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by listopencil (Post 11280691)
Yeah, I don't see Manning doing a lot of bootleg runs like the video Hef posted. I'm talking plays where he keeps it by design and rolls then either hits a limited number of targets, throws it away or keeps rolling out of bounds depending on where he is relative to the LOS. I could see that that happening 3-5 times a game. What I would picture from Manning is a fake handoff with strong run action from the O-Line. The he turns in the pocket and throws it to an open guy once the Defense is fooled.

What you're describing is Kubiak's bootlegs. Schaub was in no way a running QB. Peyton actually has more yards per game on the ground in his career than Schaub does.

listopencil 01-19-2015 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef (Post 11280695)
What you're describing is Kubiak's bootlegs. Schaub was in no way a running QB. Peyton actually has more yards per game on the ground in his career than Schaub does.

Right. That's what I'm thinking. The kind of plays we ran with Elway his last few years.

tooge 01-19-2015 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef (Post 11280679)
If you follow the conversation, I was using that example to show that Peyton has the physical capability to get outside the tackle box when the play fake is directed the other way.

Are you saying the CB or LB would not stay with the receiver if Peyton moved laterally? Sounds like an easy completion to me.

seriously? It was for one yard. Any moron can run a naked boot for one yard once every couple of years. It was a great play call. Yes, he ran outside the tackle for one yard (what will be two years ago this coming season) when the entire D lined up all 11 men inside the tackles on a play fake. That play is not happening anywhere else on the field first off, secondly, if he needed more than three or four yards, the D would have had an outside backer, a CB or two, a safety, and a D end that didn't immediately crash down, and Manning would have been killed. That play simply doesn't show that Manning can run Kubiaks offense any more than me lining up and doing the same thing would show that I could. FFS

Just Passin' By 01-19-2015 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef (Post 11280591)

Same guy who passed up running for an easy first down in the Divisional round this season....

Hootie 01-19-2015 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef (Post 11280634)
The first half of the 2012 season McCoy had him running a very conventional, slow, huddle-up offense. I don't think Manning is as adverse to running offenses he isn't used to as people seem to think.

Yeah and that scrapped it in game 4 after starting 1-2 and then falling behind by like 20 ... Peyton then went back to Peyton offense and, well, you know

listopencil 01-19-2015 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11280705)
Yeah and that scrapped it in game 4 after starting 1-2 and then falling behind by like 20 ... Peyton then went back to Peyton offense and, well, you know

We couldn't run the ball.

DaneMcCloud 01-19-2015 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by listopencil (Post 11280691)
Yeah, I don't see Manning doing a lot of bootleg runs like the video Hef posted. I'm talking plays where he keeps it by design and rolls then either hits a limited number of targets, throws it away or keeps rolling out of bounds depending on where he is relative to the LOS. I could see that that happening 3-5 times a game. What I would picture from Manning is a fake handoff with strong run action from the O-Line. The he turns in the pocket and throws it to an open guy once the Defense is fooled.

Peyton had difficulty throwing the ball on target at the end of the season while in a pocket, yet you believe he can do it at age 39 while rolling out? You guys aren't being realistic.

And what happens the instant a defensive coordinator puts a spy on Manning and crushes him to the turf? Or hits him after he's handed off the ball? I'm sorry, I just cannot see Manning agreeing to run that type of offense at his age, especially how he ended the season.

Mile High Mania 01-19-2015 04:45 PM

If Manning walks away, let's go see what Mallet or Hoyer brings to the table...

The key is to resign the young guys, keep as much of that talent as possible. Although, I could see DT looking at Indy and saying "Hello".

Rain Man 01-19-2015 04:54 PM

The only way I might pay to see a game next year is if Peyton Manning was running bootleg plays to Justin Houston's side.

listopencil 01-19-2015 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11280715)
Peyton had difficulty throwing the ball on target at the end of the season while in a pocket, yet you believe he can do it at age 39 while rolling out? You guys aren't being realistic.

And what happens the instant a defensive coordinator puts a spy on Manning and crushes him to the turf? Or hits him after he's handed off the ball? I'm sorry, I just cannot see Manning agreeing to run that type of offense at his age, especially how he ended the season.

It could only work if we ran the ball very well and limited those rolls.

Easy 6 01-19-2015 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11280715)
Peyton had difficulty throwing the ball on target at the end of the season while in a pocket, yet you believe he can do it at age 39 while rolling out? You guys aren't being realistic.

And what happens the instant a defensive coordinator puts a spy on Manning and crushes him to the turf? Or hits him after he's handed off the ball? I'm sorry, I just cannot see Manning agreeing to run that type of offense at his age, especially how he ended the season.

This.


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