Robinson was worthless his Freshman year and the first half of his sophomore year.

Mason was awesome and really the only thing this team had going.

You are wrong.

Oh, no. He could foul like a mother****er.

Mason was playing the best ball on the team for a short stretch. That's different than being the best player on the team.

No he's not.

Graham is decent and was better at the end of the year. But this boat don't float without Frank Mason.

You're still here trolling KU threads? Mason was the best player on KU for the first 3.5 months of the season until he fell off (either due to fatigue or injury). The team was an absolute mess on both ends without him on the floor so Self had to rely on him for 34 minutes a game (about 5 minutes more than either Selden/Ellis) and that predictably wore on the guy. Anyone who watched this team knows that KU would not have won much of anything without Mason's steadying presence on it. He had a great year (improved his offensive efficiency with far better FT and 3PT rates, his rebound rate, his assist rate (while reducing his turnover rate), and his defense).


Perry Ellis was quite poor for about half the season (December to early February, averaging only 11.7 PPG in that 15 game stretch). Incredibly passive and soft (even more than usual). He picked his level up considerably in the WVU road game (that he unfortunately choked a breakway layup to lose in) and carried that level for the next few weeks before he got hurt. If he played with that kind of intensity for the entire season instead of just a few games, I'd have much less to criticize and this would also be no question at all. But he didn't.

I can not stand Perry Ellis' game. I just hate pussies in the paint. He's a bigger vagina in the paint than Christian Moody. He can't leave sooner enough. The whole entire attitude of this team needs to change. They're horribly soft and play w/ no sense of urgency. None of them can penetrate to the basket and create except Mason, and the ones who are supposed to, don't (Selden)

And for those who say Mason sucks...what ****ing games were you watching. He was the heart and soul of this KU team. The team simply could not run any offense w/o him on the court.

The biggest disappointment by far without question is Selden. We know what we get w/ Ellis, but Selden was supposed to be the go-to scorer, the guy everyone turns to when they need a bucket or need to make a play..he only showed up in a handful of games and was awfully quiet during the others.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/...nsas/2015.html

Mason led the team in win shares with 4.7 (followed by Ellis with 4.2).

Mason was also tied with Oubre for the best on the team in BPM (Plus/Minus) if you don't count Mickelson (who probably should have been played more considering his major defensive impact when in). Ellis was around the middle of the team in that.

If you don't think Mason was the best player on the team when taking into account the whole year, the advanced stats refute that. Not that you should even need them.

Of course, but he also wasn't anywhere near as highly regarded coming out of high school as Cliff was (3rd in ESPN, 4th in Rivals in the country compared 40 and 31) and wasn't expected to make the same kind of immediate impact.

Mason is a hell of a player, and I've never been a Mason fan. But rebounding from the point guard position is one of those stats that can't be manufactured or cheated. It's a hell of an indicator. Mason is a straight up baller who is still learning the game.

Having said that, Graham is SIGNIFICANTLY more the kind of point guard I want. I find myself relaxing when he is on the court. They make a hell of a tandem, actually.

You forget that Graham was a freshman this year. He's going to go down as one of the great PG at KU, if I had to bet on it. And thank God - we need Graham to become a leader on this team, as Mason just isn't vocal enough.

This team has hit a weird spell where the best players were either quiet types, freshmen, or both. Things are going to improve exponentially over the next two years as Mason and Graham (and Lucas, frankly) have the experience needed to actually control the game.

I really believe that Lucas will end up being our Darnell Jackson. He already is showing nastiness in the paint. That's what people forget - Darnell was followed by the Morrii, who were also enforcers.

I would seriously love for Oubre to come back, because he would be an absolute tone setter for the team. But he won't. Period. All we can hope for at this point is Cliff being cleared and coming back to school, as he should.

This was a painful year, for sure, which honestly can be traced back to Cliff and Selden struggling. I really thought Selden would come out and just explode this year. More and more, it's looking like he's Travis Releford, not Brandon Rush.

Not that that's a bad thing.

Looking at all those stats, it's actually remarkable just how bad Selden was. Even worse than I thought. What an incredible waste of talent (and minutes considering how much Self was practically forced into playing him).

I too expect Graham is going to be quite good. Maybe as soon as next year.


I don't doubt his effort, but I don't see the same level of toughness there. Or even really the same athleticism.


I'd take Releford in a second with Selden at this point. We'd be lucky if he became that kind of a contributor.

In Travis' final year, he was one of the most efficient players in the country (shot 66% on his 2s) and a great wing defender game in and game out. Selden, in contrast, was horribly inefficient (shot a ridiculous 39% on his 2s this year) and took entire games off regularly. The odd thing with Wayne is he shot 53% on the same shots the year before, though. Such an enigma of a player.

He played 23% more min than Ellis. Adjusting for Masons minutes, Ellis' win shares would've been 5.2

One thing I absolutely abhor about Self is his complete indifference to ball security. It's mind numbing how terrible our teams are with the ball. And again, this year proved it: 314th in turnovers.


Duke had 3 today. THREE. Kentucky I believe had about the same. Wonder if he even knows how poorly his teams value possessions.