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The Franchise 07-15-2015 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 11600601)
That's hard to fathom.

His cap hit this year will be less than 6 mil?

Suh's hit in the first year of his contract is like that.

Annual Salary: $985k
Signing bonus: $5.1 million.

The Dolphins pushed his biggest cap hit to his 2nd year where:

Annual Salary: $23.485 million
Signing bonus: $5.1 million


Not saying that's what the Chiefs did.....but it's not outside the realm of possibilities.

milkman 07-15-2015 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 11600604)
Yes. Having a recent top of the market contract to give a baseline helps a lot. The only reason DT hasn't been signed is because there isn't a recent top WR contract to provide a baseline. DT and Dez are trying to use Calvin Johnson's contract but the only reason CJ got that was because of the old CBA. Demaryius and Dez will set the standard that guys like AJ Green and Julio Jones will use next year.

Miller will ask for more, and it would be sheer stupidity for the Broncos to sign him to a larger contract.

The Donkey defense doesn't suffer nearly as much without Miller as the Chiefs without Houston.

The Franchise 07-15-2015 11:24 AM

This is Suh's cap hits over his contract.

Salary Cap Numbers:

Base salary + Workout Bonus + Signing Bonus Prorate = Salary Cap Number

2015: $6.1 million
2016: $28.6 million
2017: $15.1 million
2018: $22.1 million
2019: $24.1 million
2020: $18.375 million

JakeLV 07-15-2015 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 11600585)
That can't be right.

13.x million guaranteed goes directly against the cap.

Signing bonus is spread across all years, and he could have a low salary number this year

Rausch 07-15-2015 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 11600608)
Miller will ask for more, and it would be sheer stupidity for the Broncos to sign him to a larger contract.

Would love to see Thomas rape them for big money and shrink that available cap...

Quesadilla Joe 07-15-2015 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 11600608)
Miller will ask for more, and it would be sheer stupidity for the Broncos to sign him to a larger contract.

The Donkey defense doesn't suffer nearly as much without Miller as the Chiefs without Houston.

Von IS the Broncos defense. Denver was one of the worst defensive teams in the league from 2007-2010, ever since Von came here we have been one of the 5 best defenses in the league.

The Franchise 07-15-2015 11:27 AM

www.overthecap.com

Chiefs Sign Justin Houston
Posted on July 15, 2015 by Jason Fitzgerald

For all the talk surrounding the big name wide receivers on the franchise tag, it was the Chiefs and outside linebacker Justin Houston making the most noise with a record setting six year, $101 million contract for Houston. According to Jason LaCanfora, Houston will earn $32.5 million in full guarantees and $52.5 million in injury guarantees. He also stated that he will earn $52.5 million by March of 2017 which might indicate the biggest contract for densive players not named Suh.

The language in LaCanfora’s tweet is interesting and makes me think Houston may have surpassed the others. $43 million by March of 2016 and $52.5 by March 2017 indicates large offseason payments either in the form of roster bonuses or option bonuses, the latter of which is not really typical for Kansas City. That means there is still salary to be accounted for between March and the end of the regular season. Given that the Chiefs are typically big on workout bonuses those are likely in there plus at the least the required minimum P5 salary. Based on that it would seem firm that Houston surpassed Watt’s $43 million two year total and has an outsie chance at surpassing the $54 million three year total. This contract blows away the Clay Matthews deal which was the standard for 34 outside linebackers.

Unlike the other tagged players, Houston had leverage in his negotiation. The Chiefs had the most difficult cap situation remaining in the NFL with just slightly over $500,000 in cap room remaining. That figure included Houston on a $13.2 million tender. They needed to bring his cap figure down by at least $4 million to function this year. If not they would need to rework other contracts. Their cap situation should improve next season.

The $32.5 million in full guarantees is impressive. He would have earned just over $29 million the next two years if he was tagged two times in a row. So the Chiefs conceded an additional $3.5 million guaranteed and if the $43M plus number is accurate, over $11 million in additional salary. The three year salary is also likely bigger than or at the least very similar to being tagged three times in a row. So this is a very big deal for Houston, especially given his situation.

The massive contract given by the Chiefs shows why teams really should not wait for certain players unless there are significant questions about them. Houston had 22 sacks over the 2012 and 2013 seasons despite missing five games. Once Robert Quinn signed last summer for over $14 million it was clear that the market for pass rushers was going to be excessive. With Ndamukong Suh and Gerald McCoy both set for free agency and likely setting records for interior linemen, the wait seemed ill advised for Kansas City especially given their cap situation. Better to have gotten the clock moving on bonus prorations last season than this one.

The biggest beneficiary of the contract will be Von Miller of the Broncos whose asking price likely goes sky high with so many rushers now into the $16M+ territory. Also helped by this is Greg Hardy, Aldon Smith, and Jason Pierre Paul, all of whom have major question marks surrounding them, but can expect to earn big if they hit free agency and have big seasons this year.

Rausch 07-15-2015 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 11600618)
Von IS the Broncos defense. Denver was one of the worst defensive teams in the league from 2007-2010, ever since Von came here we have been one of the 5 best defenses in the league.

Now you know what it costs to keep him.

Good luck with that...

milkman 07-15-2015 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 11600607)
Suh's hit in the first year of his contract is like that.

Annual Salary: $985k
Signing bonus: $5.1 million.

The Dolphins pushed his biggest cap hit to his 2nd year where:

Annual Salary: $23.485 million
Signing bonus: $5.1 million


Not saying that's what the Chiefs did.....but it's not outside the realm of possibilities.

It just doesn't make sense to me.

The Chiefs don't need 8 mil to sign Evan Mathis if that's what they want to pursue, or to trade for Kendricks, or hell to even do both.

Sorter 07-15-2015 11:29 AM

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penbrook 07-15-2015 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 11600623)
It just doesn't make sense to me.

The Chiefs don't need 8 mil to sign Evan Mathis if that's what they want to pursue, or to trade for Kendricks, or hell to even do both.

Come training camp there will be surprise cuts

Rausch 07-15-2015 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 11600623)
It just doesn't make sense to me.

The Chiefs don't need 8 mil to sign Evan Mathis if that's what they want to pursue, or to trade for Kendricks, or hell to even do both.

Whatever the purpose it allows us to still make improvements...

penbrook 07-15-2015 11:30 AM

#Chiefs have Alex Smith, Jamaal Charles, Jeremy Maclin, Justin Houston, Allen Bailey, Dee Ford & Marcus Peters signed THROUGH 2017.

The Franchise 07-15-2015 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 11600623)
It just doesn't make sense to me.

The Chiefs don't need 8 mil to sign Evan Mathis if that's what they want to pursue, or to trade for Kendricks, or hell to even do both.

Honestly....who knows. We won't know shit until the full details are released. My guess would be that they're at least going after one more player. Like you said....no point in carrying that cap space if you're just going to sit on it.


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