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suzzer99 11-01-2018 11:48 AM

I'm not as down on Houston and Berry as most of this forum. However the reality is they can't stay healthy. If you can release them or get them to take a massive pay cut instead, you do it.

We've had 4 years of playoff appearances in their era. Houston has been 100% for none of it IIRC. I know 2 years in a row he was basically a decoy out there. Can't remember about Berry.

OKchiefs 11-01-2018 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 13861379)
Houston CAN be released but I will be they don't.

We can't just let Ford walk for nothing. Are we going to franchise or extend Ford while also paying Houston $20 million a year for 5-6 sacks?

Chris Meck 11-01-2018 11:54 AM

what's the cap hit to cut both Houston and Berry after the season?

Red Dawg 11-01-2018 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs (Post 13861414)
We can't just let Ford walk for nothing. Are we going to franchise or extend Ford while also paying Houston $20 million a year for 5-6 sacks?

No way. Houston will have to take a pay cut or cut.

Kiimo 11-01-2018 11:55 AM

If Houston and Berry are healthy next year and play the whole year they will be dominant and this team will be unbeatable. You all are ready to pull the plug already because you're frustrated. I get it, I'm frustrated too. But to act like these pro bowlers are a bunch of chumps that should be dropped because you have no patience is pretty dumb.

Chris Meck 11-01-2018 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiimosabi (Post 13861421)
If Houston and Berry are healthy next year and play the whole year they will be dominant and this team will be unbeatable. You all are ready to pull the plug already because you're frustrated. I get it, I'm frustrated too. But to act like these pro bowlers are a bunch of chumps that should be dropped because you have no patience is pretty dumb.

well, yeah, but in both of their cases, there's a history of being unavailable. I think you have to consider that.

Cutting Houston after this season saves $14 million.

Looks like we're stuck with Berry's until 2020 or 21. Unless I'm reading it wrong we don't get a cap break until then.

htismaqe 11-01-2018 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 13861430)
well, yeah, but in both of their cases, there's a history of being unavailable. I think you have to consider that.

Cutting Houston after this season saves $14 million.

Looks like we're stuck with Berry's until 2020 or 21. Unless I'm reading it wrong we don't get a cap break until then.

Exactly. They can't stay healthy so any talk of them being healthy is kind of useless.

htismaqe 11-01-2018 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiimosabi (Post 13861421)
If Houston and Berry are healthy next year and play the whole year they will be dominant and this team will be unbeatable. You all are ready to pull the plug already because you're frustrated. I get it, I'm frustrated too. But to act like these pro bowlers are a bunch of chumps that should be dropped because you have no patience is pretty dumb.

Chumps?

Nobody said that. But they're not doing any good standing on the sideline, which both of them have a history doing.

suzzer99 11-01-2018 12:07 PM

Eric Berry: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-c...ic-berry-6514/

"POTENTIAL OUT: 2020, 3 YR, $42,500,000; $8,000,000 DEAD CAP"

Chris Meck 11-01-2018 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 13861440)
Eric Berry: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-c...ic-berry-6514/

"POTENTIAL OUT: 2020, 3 YR, $42,500,000; $8,000,000 DEAD CAP"


well, according to that, we would save 9.5 mil by cutting him after June 1st next year.

Unless this "sore heel" thing is solved and over with I would absolutely do that.

RunKC 11-01-2018 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs (Post 13861414)
We can't just let Ford walk for nothing. Are we going to franchise or extend Ford while also paying Houston $20 million a year for 5-6 sacks?

I would franchise Ford, have Houston take a pay cut and draft another interior rusher like Chris Jones and sign Bailey for a smaller deal for 1 more season.

Chris Meck 11-01-2018 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 13861439)
Chumps?

Nobody said that. But they're not doing any good standing on the sideline, which both of them have a history doing.

yup

Kiimo 11-01-2018 12:15 PM

Cap Savings to cut Houston pre June 1: $14,000,000
Cap Savings to cut Berry pre June 1: $1,550,000


If we want to keep Houston he will need to re-negotiate for sure. But there is practically nothing gained to cut Berry.

Chris Meck 11-01-2018 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiimosabi (Post 13861458)
Cap Savings to cut Houston pre June 1: $14,000,000
Cap Savings to cut Berry pre June 1: $1,550,000


If we want to keep Houston he will need to re-negotiate for sure. But there is practically nothing gained to cut Berry.


post June it jumps though, unless I'm reading it wrong. to $9.5
Am I incorrect?

Oh, that's correct, but you still also have an $8 mill cap hit in 2020

htismaqe 11-01-2018 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 13861453)
I would franchise Ford, have Houston take a pay cut and draft another interior rusher like Chris Jones and sign Bailey for a smaller deal for 1 more season.

I don't think Houston is going to take a pay cut, he's on his last contract pretty much.

I'd tag Ford and let Houston walk.


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