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-King- 03-28-2022 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 16221214)
A lot of words here, but wouldn't you rather have Hill than Clark and MVS?!

I mean he's one of the "NOT ONLY NO, BUT **** NO" people who instantly saw the light the second Hill was traded LMAO. Isn't it funny how that happened?

-King- 03-28-2022 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16221303)
Did you expect the corpse of Big Ben to be good enough to support 3 WRs putting up big #s?

The fact that you choose to focus on a 5 game sample size as opposed to 2020 says everything about your miserable existence.

He was decent in 2020. I would have taken him as a WR2 next to an elite player like he had when he was in Pittsburgh no problem.

The issue is that once he became the main receiver in Pittsburgh, he hasnt looked anywhere as good as he did those years and other WRs passed him up. So yeah, having him as our #1 or our #2 to MVS ain't really the rosiest picture.

TwistedChief 03-28-2022 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 16221305)
I mean he's one of the "NOT ONLY NO, BUT **** NO" people who instantly saw the light the second Hill was traded LMAO. Isn't it funny how that happened?

Can you please update your thoughts after learning about Clark and MVS's cap hits this year? I'd like a running diary of your views as you realize you know less and less.

-King- 03-28-2022 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 16221331)
Can you please update your thoughts after learning about Clark and MVS's cap hits this year? I'd like a running diary of your views as you realize you know less and less.

Sure. MVS is a $9 mil cap hit next year. Clark is also a $9 mil cap hit.

I believe DJ made SEVERAL posts breaking down the contract. You can read those to get a full view.

TwistedChief 03-28-2022 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 16221340)
Sure. MVS is a $9 mil cap hit next year. Clark is also a $9 mil cap hit.

I believe DJ made SEVERAL posts breaking down the contract. You can read those to get a full view.

Uhm, we all understood the contract and how it was structured. It's nice that you finally got around to reading about it and figured things out given that you were making arguments based on things you didn't understand. Certainly took you long enough to get up to speed.

You just happened to start by making the argument that Hill this year at X was much better value than MVS, JuJu, and Clark at Y. Unfortunately you had no idea what you were talking about and now keep shifting the goalposts.

It's really not worth the argument.

-King- 03-28-2022 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 16221358)
Uhm, we all understood the contract and how it was structured. It's nice that you finally got around to reading about it and figured things out given that you were making arguments based on things you didn't understand. Certainly took you long enough to get up to speed.

You just happened to start by making the argument that Hill this year at X was much better value than MVS, JuJu, and Clark at Y. Unfortunately you had no idea what you were talking about and now keep shifting the goalposts.

It's really not worth the argument.

It is better value. Hill is a much better player than both of them combined. He gives you elite output for $23 million. MVS and Clark give you average production for $18. And most of that comes from MVS. Clark gives you nothing.

It's like buying a Pontiac Aztec for 800k because you don't want to pay a million for a supercar.

ThyKingdomCome15 03-28-2022 11:05 PM

Man we lost a lot. Veach needs another big draft or this could get ugly.

oldman 03-28-2022 11:22 PM

Clark's contract really doesn't matter. We were going to be charged $13M against the cap ($6.5M post June 1) anyway. It was a question of do we pay Hill the big bucks and have no wiggle room or do we trade him for our future? Where do you think we would have had the money to sign FAs or rookies to fill out our roster? I don't know how hard that is to understand.

kcbubb 03-29-2022 12:18 AM

What do y’all know about DT Larry Ogunjobi? He’s a free agent. 7 sacks last year. But he has a hurt foot?

staylor26 03-29-2022 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 16221413)
It is better value. Hill is a much better player than both of them combined. He gives you elite output for $23 million. MVS and Clark give you average production for $18. And most of that comes from MVS. Clark gives you nothing.

It's like buying a Pontiac Aztec for 800k because you don't want to pay a million for a supercar.

Are you truly so dense that you believe MVS and Clark have anything to do with their decision to trade Tyreek?

Like you can’t possibly be this ****ing stupid.

They didn’t trade Tyreek because they couldn’t afford him this year. They traded Tyreek because they can afford it long term.

God damn you are ****ing reeruned.

Wilson8 03-29-2022 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 16221457)
What do y’all know about DT Larry Ogunjobi? He’s a free agent. 7 sacks last year. But he has a hurt foot?

The Bengals in 2021 gave him a 1 year $7M deal and he played pretty well for them with 7 sacks and 49 tackles. The Chicago Bears signed him this offseason for a 3 year $40M deal, but Bears called it off when Larry failed the physical because of foot.

I wonder if he was in the Dominican Republic prior to the doctor's exam. (Look up Bashaud Breeland foot injury)

Sorry...he actually injured it against the LV Raiders and it required surgery.

TEX 03-29-2022 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by ThyKingdomCome15 (Post 16221426)
Man we lost a lot. Veach needs another big draft or this could get ugly.

Yep, Especially with our schedule.

Chris Meck 03-29-2022 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 16221214)
A lot of words here, but wouldn't you rather have Hill than Clark and MVS?!

If that were actually the equation, of course.

It's not even close to being the equation, though.

htismaqe 03-29-2022 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 16221457)
What do y’all know about DT Larry Ogunjobi? He’s a free agent. 7 sacks last year. But he has a hurt foot?

He would be a Chicago Bear but he failed their physical. It's a no-go.

Chris Meck 03-29-2022 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 16221305)
I mean he's one of the "NOT ONLY NO, BUT **** NO" people who instantly saw the light the second Hill was traded LMAO. Isn't it funny how that happened?

Yeah, it's called dealing with reality.

I didn't want to trade Tyreek. I'm sure Veach didn't either.

We now know Tyreek wanted to be the highest paid WR in football, and the money just wasn't going to work if we were going to improve the team.

So we can wring our hands and clutch our pearls, or we can embrace that fact that at least we got a big haul of picks, freed up some cap space, and we move on.

I was a hell no, don't trade Tyreek until it happened. It happened. I understand why it was necessary. Now it is what it is. Better to embrace it than cry and complain.


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