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stevegroganfan 10-20-2022 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by JudasRising20 (Post 16543105)
I agree. They'll sometimes get a good run on first down and then pass on the next five consecutive plays. Reid has never been patient with the running game. Bienemy is a former RB yet he doesn't seem to mind either. They ran well against Tampa, which is supposed to have the best run defense in the league.
Tampa's run defense especially since it didn't even have Suh's replacement was overrated by the announcers of that game. Suh is at least a borderline HOFer and he has been missed this year by Tampa. JPP is gone as well.

That being said, the Chiefs do look like they have what it takes to at least be a good running team.

rabblerouser 10-20-2022 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16543216)
Right, but I'm addressing why that is.

And as for being in 3rd and long, well, if your OT's can't pass block, you're going to be in 3rd and long anyway, more often than not. And I'd offer that at least if you only get two yards on first running the ball, that's better than an incomplete pass or sack because at least you've shown the defense that you WILL run the ball, which does make the pass rush actually play it honestly.

So I offer my prescription.

More snaps under center, more two and three TE sets to help chip block as well as run block, more commitment to being balanced in run/pass ratio. Less RPO, more effective play-action.

I'll add more quick slants to my prescription as well.
I literally posted all of this in my thread after the Raiders game.

Then, you came in and posted this after the Tampa Bay game :

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16509081)
So, it turns out it comes down to execution. Who'd have thought?
So...which one is it?

Chris Meck 10-20-2022 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 16543327)
I literally posted all of this in my thread after the Raiders game.

Then, you came in and posted this after the Tampa Bay game :



So...which one is it?
Oh, dang, you got me!

Only not.

rabblerouser 10-20-2022 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16543475)
Oh, dang, you got me!

Only not.
Not trying to be a dick.

I'm just wondering if you still think it's just execution or not.

Chris Meck 10-20-2022 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 16543593)
Not trying to be a dick.

I'm just wondering if you still think it's just execution or not.
I don't think the things are mutually exclusive at all.

None of this stuff is. It's why these arguments just go round and round in circles.

I think if our OT's are studs, we could do pretty much anything we want and be successful.

They're not, so we can't.

And for whatever reason, Tampa couldn't deal with the RPO's, and neither could Arizona.

Buffalo and Indy had answers.

I think we ought to get away from it. I don't think we can consistently execute it against strong front fours.

TEX 10-20-2022 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16543139)
Entire OL but1 did it’s job here. Wylie gets wrecked. If Patrick gets even 1 more second then it s big gain.

Noah Gray wide open in the middle of the field

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Lots of OL talk this week, so in the Mahomes review I&#39;ll go more in-depth on flushes (OL fault) vs happy feet (Mahomes&#39; fault) plays, as well as detailing who was responsible for pressures and how often.<br><br>Should be... not fun. But maybe enlightening? No idea what to expect tbh. <a href="https://t.co/n6WIrZURno">pic.twitter.com/n6WIrZURno</a></p>&mdash; Seth Keysor (@RealMNchiefsfan) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealMNchiefsfan/status/1583093372109357056?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 20, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sure. <br><br>Route combo of Fortson/Gray on left side works to draw underneath LB&#39;s to Fortson and free up Gray. Another second and this is a decent gain over the middle. <a href="https://t.co/WWlt6m66Gt">pic.twitter.com/WWlt6m66Gt</a></p>&mdash; Seth Keysor (@RealMNchiefsfan) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealMNchiefsfan/status/1583098450245455873?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 20, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Wylie, just total ass / fail.

rabblerouser 10-20-2022 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16543621)
I think we ought to get away from it. I don't think we can consistently execute it against strong front fours.
It's that hitch, that little delay when Patrick pulls it down to hand it off or pulls it back to throw it that kind of allows defenses to already be in position it seems like...

But yes, get away from the RPO.

rabblerouser 10-20-2022 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by TEX (Post 16543694)
Wylie, just total ass / fail.
Pretty damn awful

RunKC 10-21-2022 02:23 PM
Perfect playcall. We just didn’t execute. This is most likely a TD or 20 yard gain to go inside the 10 at worse. Goddamnit

Got a FG to go up 20-17 but that would have likely made it 24-17

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is the Burton screen. It was a perfect call against the Bills blitz. If it connects at minimum it is a first down. Best case a touchdown. People will criticize the throw. But Mahomes knew how quickly the window was closing with those blitzes. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/JacobsEyeInTheSky?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#JacobsEyeInTheSky</a> <a href="https://t.co/lmQJvFI9C9">pic.twitter.com/lmQJvFI9C9</a></p>&mdash; Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jacobs71/status/1582869084278231040?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 19, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Hammock Parties 10-21-2022 02:25 PM
ugh so many missed opportunities

rabblerouser 10-21-2022 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16545720)
Perfect playcall. We just didn’t execute. This is most likely a TD or 20 yard gain to go inside the 10 at worse. Goddamnit

Got a FG to go up 20-17 but that would have likely made it 24-17

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is the Burton screen. It was a perfect call against the Bills blitz. If it connects at minimum it is a first down. Best case a touchdown. People will criticize the throw. But Mahomes knew how quickly the window was closing with those blitzes. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/JacobsEyeInTheSky?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#JacobsEyeInTheSky</a> <a href="https://t.co/lmQJvFI9C9">pic.twitter.com/lmQJvFI9C9</a></p>&mdash; Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jacobs71/status/1582869084278231040?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 19, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Looks like they had it blocked for a TD to me. If everyone keeps their blocks (and no holding calls) and I don't think a defender touches him.

That's why I think everyone who is crying "ding dong, the witch is dead" because the Chiefs lost to the Bills by 4 points aren't really looking at the game.

KC was close to breaking it open a couple times early. Not even talking about the missed FG or the INTs, but if they hit on a couple plays they missed...

JustDíqLix 10-21-2022 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 16545969)
KC was close to breaking it open a couple times early. Not even talking about the missed FG or the INTs, but if they hit on a couple plays they missed...
More homerism.

This kind of thing happens for both teams.

If the Bills hit on the plays they missed, they would have broke the game open too. Both teams had plenty of misses.

Coochie liquor 10-21-2022 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16545725)
ugh so many missed opportunities
That’s the Andy Heck/OBJ/Wylie special. Get used to it!

Coochie liquor 10-21-2022 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by JustRyan (Post 16546051)
More homerism.

This kind of thing happens for both teams.

If the Bills hit on the plays they missed, they would have broke the game open too. Both teams had plenty of misses.
Exactly

Chieftain 10-21-2022 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by JustRyan (Post 16546051)
More homerism.

This kind of thing happens for both teams.

If the Bills hit on the plays they missed, they would have broke the game open too. Both teams had plenty of misses.
Which plays exactly?
Allen made two throws that won the game. Both easy throws where the wide open receiver beat Williams. That was it.
Mahomes threw a perfect ball to MVS and his buttery fingers couldn't hold on to the ball. Missed TD right there. Flips the outcome of the game.

If you wanna talk about homerism, as a Bills fan, you can't watch that game and come out of it saying that Allen is equal to or better than Mahomes. He will always be below Mahomes. It's a fact of life, like the sun rising in the morning and the ocean waves moving back and forth.


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