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Pitt Gorilla 11-07-2022 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16586659)
They play old school trenches football better than maybe any team in the league right now. i didn't really believe it until last night, seeing it on the big screen in the living room by myself. They're playing 80's/90's run-centric football, very similar to the kind the Chiefs played back then.

And KC can't play that kind of football against TEN, period. We don't have the horses.

I think Andy tried to a bit, but quickly realized that was a mistake. We were never going to beat TEN at their own game. Andy needed to play the Chiefs game which is more sophisticated and less about beating the tar out of the opponent and more about outsmarting them.

Heard commentators today talking about how the Chiefs abandoned the run and should have at least tried to stick it out. My thinking was, "Why?" If they want to play that nonsense 6-man front, we need to throw the ball every damn down. Running the ball at that point was a wasted down.

KCUnited 11-07-2022 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 16586738)
Heard commentators today talking about how the Chiefs abandoned the run and should have at least tried to stick it out. My thinking was, "Why?" If they want to play that nonsense 6-man front, we need to throw the ball every damn down. Running the ball at that point was a wasted down.

"Vrabel is sending the Chiefs a thank you card for every time they run the ball" - One of Collinsworth's better ones

Easy 6 11-07-2022 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16586280)
Right now, a top RB would be wasted behind this offensive line. Gotta improve there first.

Coach Heck will get that cleaned up/Andy

Chris Meck 11-07-2022 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 16586756)
Coach Heck will get that cleaned up/Andy

If he's benching Wylie, then yeah, ok, I'll bite.

Austin Reiter and Wylie have been most two most hated Chiefs. Finally got Reiter gone, but still have %$%#$#$#$# Wylie STARTING, for gods' sake.

Megatron96 11-07-2022 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 16586738)
Heard commentators today talking about how the Chiefs abandoned the run and should have at least tried to stick it out. My thinking was, "Why?" If they want to play that nonsense 6-man front, we need to throw the ball every damn down. Running the ball at that point was a wasted down.

You have to at least show that you're willing to run. Now, with KC (and say BUF) you can get away with running a bare-ass minimum number of times because Mahomes/Allen, but you can't just not run the ball ever. Teams that try that get beat, more often than not.

But part of what happened last night is all the errors and turnovers forced Andy's hand at a certain point. About when that INT happened with Kelce late in the third or whenever.

That was about the 6-minute mark in the third, iirc, and i remember checking the clock and realizing the Chiefs really only had about three drives left to score 8 points just to tie, and at least two score (min. 9 pts) to win the game in regulation. At that point, you abandon whatever is extraneous and roll with your best players and your best plays, which for KC are all in the passing game.

If we had a Saquon/McCaffrey/Henry maybe you still do some ground and pound, but the Chiefs don't any such thing. We have a Travis. And an Andy. And a Mahomes. Not one of those guys is an elite RB, obviously, but they comprise the core of one of the greatest air attacks in NFL history.

Sorry, I meant kore.

Ming the Merciless 11-07-2022 06:35 PM

i dont think its "nuts" to be unhappy with spags


it has been tears of poor tackling, no linebackers until literally bolton and gay


under performing DL , until the last part of that game when they HAD to pass...


Hats off to the D last night. But im not gonna crown anyone for holding the titans to 17.


We just got mcduffie and gay back so hopefully things will be getting better and better.... we NEED to be able to rely on our D like we did last night sometimes... as great as mahomes is, no one can carry that much weight.



The titans are one dimensional with a shitty QB last night. Lets see this D improve and do well against some high powered offenses. I think we have the personnel with mcduffie, bolton, gay, sneed, clark, jones, etc.. dunlap and karlaftis too. So its not a personnel issue if we continue to have issues

Ming the Merciless 11-07-2022 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by KCUnited (Post 16586741)
"Vrabel is sending the Chiefs a thank you card for every time they run the ball" - One of Collinsworth's better ones


thats was funny


and when mahomes did that shot-put pass, i laughed at how giddy collinsworth got over how good it was.

RINGLEADER 11-07-2022 06:40 PM

I don't mind running the ball but use your speed and make the other guys fight to make the stop. Running straight ahead headlong into a mass of humanity over and over and over again just makes zero sense. I'm sure in the playbook there are all kinds of holes opening and the play is obviously designed to work, but after 10 attempts at variations on the same thing, you have to hang it up. Jet sweeps and bubble screens aren't necessarily an elixir for this kind of defensive game planning, but it would have been great to see us try a bit more of that and to get the Titans' interior moving laterally more to tire them out if nothing else.

RINGLEADER 11-07-2022 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower (Post 16586829)
i dont think its "nuts" to be unhappy with spags


it has been tears of poor tackling, no linebackers until literally bolton and gay


under performing DL , until the last part of that game when they HAD to pass...


Hats off to the D last night. But im not gonna crown anyone for holding the titans to 17.


We just got mcduffie and gay back so hopefully things will be getting better and better.... we NEED to be able to rely on our D like we did last night sometimes... as great as mahomes is, no one can carry that much weight.



The titans are one dimensional with a shitty QB last night. Lets see this D improve and do well against some high powered offenses. I think we have the personnel with mcduffie, bolton, gay, sneed, clark, jones, etc.. dunlap and karlaftis too. So its not a personnel issue if we continue to have issues


Good post. :thumb:

Megatron96 11-07-2022 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower (Post 16586829)
i dont think its "nuts" to be unhappy with spags


it has been tears of poor tackling, no linebackers until literally bolton and gay


under performing DL , until the last part of that game when they HAD to pass...


Hats off to the D last night. But im not gonna crown anyone for holding the titans to 17.


We just got mcduffie and gay back so hopefully things will be getting better and better.... we NEED to be able to rely on our D like we did last night sometimes... as great as mahomes is, no one can carry that much weight.



The titans are one dimensional with a shitty QB last night. Lets see this D improve and do well against some high powered offenses. I think we have the personnel with mcduffie, bolton, gay, sneed, clark, jones, etc.. dunlap and karlaftis too. So its not a personnel issue if we continue to have issues

Wtf are you talking about? Cardinals were the 8th best offense 2021, LAC 4th, BUF 5th, SF 7th, LVR 11th, TB 2nd. That's 6 of the top-10 best offenses from last year that we played to start the 2022 season.

Only two of those offenses scored more than 24 points against our defense.

Only one team has scored more than 29 points.


What are you, blind?

Ming the Merciless 11-07-2022 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16586897)
Only two of those offenses scored more than 24 points against our defense.

Only one team has scored more than 29 points.


What are you, blind?


so you're saying 24+ and 29+ are good performances?


and youre going by last years offensive numbers?


buffalo beat us..SF lost their starting QB...TB is trash this year...LVR is trash this year...LAC is trash this year..AZ has what , 3 wins?



Im not sold yet. How bout we go by THIS years results.? I mean you can tell yourself that these teams that were ok in 2021 are "high powered" now... but on your list only BUF remains, in my mind. Maybe SF....
Sorry i need to see alot more than barely beating a 1 dimensional team like the Titans before I am cock strutting about spags D. We finally have the personnel. So if he doesnt execute its on him.

Megatron96 11-08-2022 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower (Post 16587314)
so you're saying 24+ and 29+ are good performances?


and youre going by last years offensive numbers?


buffalo beat us..SF lost their starting QB...TB is trash this year...LVR is trash this year...LAC is trash this year..AZ has what , 3 wins?



Im not sold yet. How bout we go by THIS years results.? I mean you can tell yourself that these teams that were ok in 2021 are "high powered" now... but on your list only BUF remains, in my mind. Maybe SF....
Sorry i need to see alot more than barely beating a 1 dimensional team like the Titans before I am cock strutting about spags D. We finally have the personnel. So if he doesnt execute its on him.

Actually, the fact that this defense has only given up more than 24 points twice in 8 games vs. the talent-level they've faced is not bad at all. Regardless of their records, all of those teams have the talent on their rosters to score piles of points, particularly when facing a defense starting as many rookies/new guys as KC has been playing.


Wrote a big long argument, then said eff it. i know the defense is improving and will be a top-10 unit by week 12 or so. you just want to bitch. Fine.

Just be prepared to eat a lot of crow when they prove you wrong. Again. :thumb:

Oh, one other thing: TEN scored just 3 points in the second half on their second possession. On every other possession TEN had in the second half and in OT they scored zero. nada. zilch. goose egg. Derrick Henry ran for less than 10 yards in the second half, no scores. TEN converted just ONE 3RD DOWN. 1-11.

FAX 11-08-2022 01:33 AM

11ish.

What the hell happened to our screen game? IMHO, screens would have helped us a great deal against the Flaming Tacks. In fact, the Tacks have the kind of defense that would have a mental breakdown once you effectively attack them horizontally.

Since I blame him for all kinds of stuff, I blame EB.

FAX THE COMPLAINANT

htismaqe 11-08-2022 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by FAX (Post 16587353)
11ish.

What the hell happened to our screen game? IMHO, screens would have helped us a great deal against the Flaming Tacks. In fact, the Tacks have the kind of defense that would have a mental breakdown once you effectively attack them horizontally.

Since I blame him for all kinds of stuff, I blame EB.

FAX THE COMPLAINANT

They ran a couple of screens and the Titans were ready for it. It wasn't working.

htismaqe 11-08-2022 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower (Post 16587314)
We finally have the personnel. So if he doesnt execute its on him.

McDuffie has played exactly one full game. The other guys are rookies. The defensive line is woefully understaffed.

To say he has the personnel is being disingenuous a bit.


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