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CaptainMorgan 01-29-2024 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Gary Cooper (Post 17374712)
Chris Jones was tripped in the end zone when the Ravens were on their own 1-yard line. Pretty blatant. I believe it was their last drive. Should have been called a safety.

Forgot that one! Absolutely!

Buehler445 01-29-2024 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17374679)
The Flowers thing even went a step beyond as he pushed Sneed down to do it like going "yea take this bitch"

It was the right call. Absolutely. If they call all the other shit all year long, they have to call that one.

I'm not sure I agree with the legislative intent.

In this specific case, Sneed still had ahold of his foot from the tackle. Sneed was needling him. And it worked. Veteran schooled the rookie.

What Sneed did is never called. What Flowers did is always called. But I'm not sure they're materially different.

Eleazar 01-29-2024 11:13 AM

I don’t know how you can call the Van Noy one weak. He joined an altercation as a third player, anyone with any sense knows there’s a significant chance of getting a flag by doing that.

Staying in control of your emotions and using them in the right way is what winning teams do. Losers do what the ravens did at many points yesterday.

duncan_idaho 01-29-2024 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 17374663)
Lol, when did I say either of those flags were weak?



Anyway, at least of the holding calls on Taylor was a weak call. The second one, iirc, wasn't holding.

The unnecessary roughness on Roquon (when he jumped off-sides and ran into Trey) was kind of weak.

No, I disagree drastically. Smith took a full run and absolutely DRILLED a stationary player on purpose. They have to protect offensive linemen there.

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 17374663)
The flag against BAL after the altercation between Travis and Queen or whoever was pretty weak for a playoff game.

Again, disagree. Van Noy came running in AFTER the officials began separating players, and head butted Kelce in the helmet.

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 17374663)
And KC committed DPI at least twice that wasn't called.

And there were probably a couple more, but I haven't rewatched the game and I missed part of the first quarter.

But again, the refs this season have been terrible, so it's not like any of this was a surprise.

In all, the officiating crew missed some big things on both ends. You can point to 6 points and a possession off the board for the Chiefs and make a good case the bad holding calls and missed tripping penalty were more impactful than anything that went the Chiefs' way.

Take away either of the holds on Smith and the Chiefs go into halftime up 21-7. Call the trip in the end zone and give KC a safety to go up 19-7 with the ball and about 10 minutes left in the game. At BEST for Baltimore, the Chiefs kill about 2.5 minutes of clock in that spot. But considering KC probably starts with a little better field position (say, the 37 instead of the 25) and only needs about 25-30 yards to get into make-able FG range, it could have been a lot worse.

poolboy 01-29-2024 11:27 AM

Ravens were head hunting Mahomes all day....miracle he didnt get a concussion

WilliamTheIrish 01-29-2024 11:32 AM

Game manager thread turns into ref thread.

The Chiefs felt (rightly) that Lamar Jackson, while an intriguing player, did not possess the needed QB fundamentals to overcome the Chiefs defense.

In the regular season? Yea, maybe he does make the reads and lead them back from 2 scores. But the playoffs? You could feel entire organization had a shirt collar that was shrinking around the neck in real time.

That does not mean Baltimore choked. Because they didn’t, IMO. It means the Chiefs strangled the game from them.

DJ's left nut 01-29-2024 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17374729)
Again, disagree. Van Noy came running in AFTER the officials began separating players, and head butted Kelce in the helmet.

That's the critical part.

When I saw the flag, I was kinda pissed because I had no idea who it was against and I felt like it was the officials fault for not getting in there and really breaking that thing up. They let it go a little longer than I expected and then the camera flashed away and a flag came out.

Then they showed the replay and I realized the officials WERE in the scrum, had broken it up and then Van Noy got involved after the fact.

At that point I withdrew my objection because yeah - that's a penalty folks. You can't enter a scrum AFTER the officials have put a pin in it and then pull the pin back out. You're going to get flagged for that every single time.

DJ's left nut 01-29-2024 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish (Post 17374766)
Game manager thread turns into ref thread.

The Chiefs felt (rightly) that Lamar Jackson, while an intriguing player, did not possess the needed QB fundamentals to overcome the Chiefs defense.

In the regular season? Yea, maybe he does make the reads and lead them back from 2 scores. But the playoffs? You could feel entire organization had a shirt collar that was shrinking around the neck in real time.

That does not mean Baltimore choked. Because they didn’t, IMO. It means the Chiefs strangled the game from them.

Lamar choked.

The interception was a choke. The 2 or 3 balls he had guys on that he simply missed the throw on was a choke.

He didn't play at the level he'd played at all season. It's a textbook choke.

wachashi 01-29-2024 11:37 AM

Romo said during the broadcast, "I'm gonna let you in on a little secret" and proceeded to tell us that the Ravens intended on hitting Mahomes on his scrambles. They thought defenses were too nice to him when he ran.

Well, Baltimore, how'd that work out for ya?

CaptainMorgan 01-29-2024 11:38 AM

Lamar is a front runner. Getting the lead was so important, which is why I think we saw the Chiefs so aggressive to start. Once they had the two score lead, just let the defense and Lamar do the rest.

O.city 01-29-2024 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17374772)
Lamar choked.

The interception was a choke. The 2 or 3 balls he had guys on that he simply missed the throw on was a choke.

He didn't play at the level he'd played at all season. It's a textbook choke.

It's one of those things that happens under pressure. Muscle memory is a bitch.

petegz28 01-29-2024 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by wachashi (Post 17374774)
Romo said during the broadcast, "I'm gonna let you in on a little secret" and proceeded to tell us that the Ravens intended on hitting Mahomes on his scrambles. They thought defenses were too nice to him when he ran.

Well, Baltimore, how'd that work out for ya?

Romo also said we made a mistake deferring the kickoff...

Jerm 01-29-2024 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 17374778)
Romo also said we made a mistake deferring the kickoff...

I think it's hilarious he's had to be in person broadcasting our run as he clearly roots against us....and now he'll have to watch and commentate us winning another Lombardi.

The Franchise 01-29-2024 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainMorgan (Post 17374776)
Lamar is a front runner. Getting the lead was so important, which is why I think we saw the Chiefs so aggressive to start. Once they had the two score lead, just let the defense and Lamar do the rest.

And the 49ers are the same way. They want to get out to that lead and control the game script.

DanT 01-29-2024 11:56 AM

For what it's worth, on today's episode of Schein on Sports, Phil Simms praised Mahomes's ability to manage the game in the second half, calling it deliberate and difficult to do and noting that Mahomes was making sure to burn clock and avoid moderate risk and higher throws because they weren't in the Chiefs interest.
The deal with Mahomes is that everyone knows that he can make whatever throw he needs to make. He's not a traditional game-manager in the way that term is used derisively. Even when he's playing "safe" he is putting pressure on opponents and forcing errors from them.


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